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06-06-2012, 05:03 AM
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How does the vote for Conn Smythe work?

The Conn Smythe trophy is handed out quite fast after the SC finals are over. How does the PHWA handle the voting? Does every member get to vote, or only whoever is there in the building at the time? Is it done by show of hands? Does anybody have any experience with this? I'd be really interested to know how this is done in practice.

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06-06-2012, 05:13 AM
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"Voting takes place during the 2nd period of an elimination game in the cup finals. If the series is not decided that night, the votes are discarded and the same process will take place each game until the the cup has been won."

So a great third period won't decide anything apparently.

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06-06-2012, 07:19 AM
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"Voting takes place during the 2nd period of an elimination game in the cup finals. If the series is not decided that night, the votes are discarded and the same process will take place each game until the the cup has been won."

So a great third period won't decide anything apparently.
Who are the voters?

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06-06-2012, 04:40 PM
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"Voting takes place during the 2nd period of an elimination game in the cup finals. If the series is not decided that night, the votes are discarded and the same process will take place each game until the the cup has been won."

So a great third period won't decide anything apparently.
fortunately enough, one great period does not a playoff MVP make.

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Who places the votes?

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Who places the votes?

Most years, between 12 and 15 members of the Professional Hockey Writers cast ballots. Itís generally three voters per representative city in the final - three LA writers, three NJ writers - and then the rest of the votes are divided among writers who have covered most or all of the playoffs up to that point.

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It doesn't seem right to me that the most important period of the playoffs is discarded when deciding who the best player of the playoffs is.

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It doesn't seem right to me that the most important period of the playoffs is discarded when deciding who the best player of the playoffs is.
it's the best player of the entire playoffs. you're talking about considering just one period compared to about 60 periods.

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It doesn't seem right to me that the most important period of the playoffs is discarded when deciding who the best player of the playoffs is.
The most important period of the playoffs isn't necessarily the last period of the final game.

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It doesn't seem right to me that the most important period of the playoffs is discarded when deciding who the best player of the playoffs is.
This is HF and the "what have you done for me lately" mentality at its finest.

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"Voting takes place during the 2nd period of an elimination game in the cup finals. If the series is not decided that night, the votes are discarded and the same process will take place each game until the the cup has been won."

So a great third period won't decide anything apparently.
So let's say it's game 7, stanley cup final, tied after the second period. Each team has 1 equally deserving candidate. Not that unlikely of a scenario. They wouldn't wait until the game was finished to cast the votes??
I totally get the anti "what have you done for me lately" thing, but why one earth can they not just wait until the end of the game? Does it really take that long to count 20 or so ballots? What harm is there in just waiting until the cup has been officially won??

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So let's say it's game 7, stanley cup final, tied after the second period. Each team has 1 equally deserving candidate. Not that unlikely of a scenario. They wouldn't wait until the game was finished to cast the votes??
I totally get the anti "what have you done for me lately" thing, but why one earth can they not just wait until the end of the game? Does it really take that long to count 20 or so ballots? What harm is there in just waiting until the cup has been officially won??
Yeah in this case I would understand because both team have a chance and the Conn Smythe seems to always go to the winning team. In these cases they probably give a name from each team?

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06-06-2012, 06:38 PM
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Yeah in this case I would understand because both team have a chance and the Conn Smythe seems to always go to the winning team. In these cases they probably give a name from each team?
I wouldn't know. But in any case, is it really that difficult to just wait until the game is done? This is just one of those stupid things that bugs the hell out of me

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I wouldn't know. But in any case, is it really that difficult to just wait until the game is done? This is just one of those stupid things that bugs the hell out of me

Jeez, how do you know the 20 voters wouldnt just say "Okay, let's wait another 20 minutes, boys".


Just because you read 2 sentences online doesnt mean they are completely devoid of common sense...

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It's decided in Thunderdome. Two men enter; one man leaves.
How do they decide who enters though?

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So, that means that Giguere was awarded the Conn Smythe in '03 when the voters had no idea that he would be a member of the losing team (it was a Game 7, remember). That's interesting. I've always wondered if the voters gave him the award in spite of him being on the losing team, but, apparently, that wasn't the case at all.

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How do they decide who enters though?
American Ninja Warrior tournament. Duh! What are you new to hockey or something?

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So, that means that Giguere was awarded the Conn Smythe in '03 when the voters had no idea that he would be a member of the losing team (it was a Game 7, remember). That's interesting. I've always wondered if the voters gave him the award in spite of him being on the losing team, but, apparently, that wasn't the case at all.
It was 2-0 Devils by the end of the second, I'm pretty sure they would have been operating under the assumption that the Ducks would lose.


And if it really made a difference, I'm sure they would have had nominees from both teams depending on the outcome-- but obviously they made the decision that Giguere deserved it even if the Ducks lost.

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Jonathan Quick's got it wrapped up.

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What if it was game 7, and your team was down by 2, and you got a natural hat trick to win it in the 3rd. Doesn't matter?

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fortunately enough, one great period does not a playoff MVP make.
Say the 1st and second periods go scoreless. Devils then chase Quick for four quick goals. But later in the 3rd, Brown scores a hatty and Kopitar chips in another goal to force OT. Kopi then scores the Cup-clinching goal.

I'm sure none of the three Kings think they're competing on an MVP race, but it's very possible that single-period performances can - and should - influence a player's overall performance.

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My vote goes to Kopitar.

Quick is the only other realistic candidate.

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