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06-06-2012, 03:48 PM
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Good post. I had forgotten about his 1st year with Philly.

.... and Chris managed to sneak Carle in with Suter.

That is... underhanded.

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06-06-2012, 03:59 PM
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Hartnell (4.20) - Giroux (3.75) - Briere (6.50)
vanRiemsdyk (4.25) - Schenn (0.90) - Voracek (3.75)
Simmonds (1.75) - Couturier (0.93) - Read (0.90)
Gaustad (2.50) - Talbot (1.75) - Wellwood (0.58)
Rinaldo (0.54) - Holmstrom (0.75) - Sestito (0.70

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06-06-2012, 04:11 PM
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Good post. I had forgotten about his 1st year with Philly.

.... and Chris managed to sneak Carle in with Suter.

That is... underhanded.
Depending on the salary cap and CBA...

Hartnell - Giroux - Briere
vanRiemsdyk - Schenn - Voracek
Simmonds - Couturier - Read
Gaustad - Talbot - Wellwood

Suter - Carle
Timonen - Meszaros
Coburn - Grossmann

Bryzgalov

...is more than just possible.

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06-06-2012, 04:25 PM
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I don't understand why anyone wants to sign Wideman. If you thought Carle was a bad defender, Wideman is even worse. The Flyers already have good puck movers with Timonen, Gustafsson, Coburn and Meszaros. They need someone who is mean and tough to play against on the blue line.
Agreed. Much rather re-sign Carle than go with Wideman.

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Coburn was a good puck mover when he got to Philadelphia. People seem to forget that his first season as a Flyer, he scored 36 points, so he knows how to handle a puck. Over the past few years, he's been asked to take on a more defensive role. I'd have no problems with Coburn being asked to be a puck mover again now that he's got a guy like Grossmann playing next to him.

Gustafsson has shown great promise as being a puck carrier. His wrist injury that he suffered killed any momentum he had going. With that being said, this is a very important year for Gustafsson coming up. If his puck carrying ability really starts off well to begin the season, then I can see his confidence soaring and really becoming a stalwart on the D. If for some reason or another he handles the puck like a hot potato or becomes completely overwhelmed by things, then he's as good as gone.

Anyways, I think there's a lot of untapped potential in Gustafsson and Coburn always had puck carrying capability. For some reason, that aspect of the D doesn't worry me at all.
I agree again. Coburn has focused a lot on strict defense when he's been paired with Timonen. He was a lot more active when Grossmann came over, and he has it in him to play that kind of game as well. Depending on how we come out of the UFA season, I could see them reuniting the Timonen-Coburn pairing though, and have Grossmann be the steady dman on a third pairing with either Borudon or Gustafsson.

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Depending on the salary cap and CBA...

Hartnell - Giroux - Briere
vanRiemsdyk - Schenn - Voracek
Simmonds - Couturier - Read
Gaustad - Talbot - Wellwood

Suter - Carle
Timonen - Meszaros
Coburn - Grossmann

Bryzgalov

...is more than just possible.
I doubt Carle will sign for a 4m cap hit (unless it's a really, really long contract).

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06-06-2012, 04:51 PM
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I would love suter, but I feel like the chances of him signing here are slim to none. I would rather go all in on weber next season, or at the deadline, and sign a veteran guy like jackman or maybe gill to solidify things until then.

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I would put Gaustad at center on the fourth line as oppoee to Wing.

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This off-season. No particular order.

I bring in:
1. Sign FO Specialist: Slater @ 1 - 1.2 - 4th line center

2. Sign BOTH Carle @ 4.25 ( Not a fan of his at all F sakes! ) and Suter @ 6.6. - Carle on 2nd pairing - Coburn on 1st with Suter (if Suter is a no-go, which he more than likely won't be, I'd bring in Allen a shot blocking machine and a mean streak @ 3 - 3.2 )

3. Sign Vora @ 3.25 - 3.5 - first line wing

4. Trade Mez (who I prefer over Carle) to EDM for Smid - not sure that would work for EDM but I'd love to have him here. (dream)

5. Go after Shultz

6. Reduce Kimmo's mins next year.

Next year is next year - it's a **** show as it is now

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06-06-2012, 07:07 PM
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1. Obtain Weber somehow, everything else is on the table except Giroux and Couturier.

2. Extend Hartnell, Simmonds and Voracek if they're still here.

That's all I got so far.
Seems like a horrible idea to extend Hartnell coming of a career year at his age. He'll continue to be good, but I think he peaked. If you're going to extend it's probably better to do it later unless his agent brings it up and at a cap friendly number.

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Seems like a horrible idea to extend Hartnell coming of a career year at his age. He'll continue to be good, but I think he peaked. If you're going to extend it's probably better to do it later unless his agent brings it up and at a cap friendly number.
Yeah meant resign, my mistake, after next season of course, same with Simmonds.

I would hope Hartnell would want to take the hometown discount to sign a nice cap friendly deal here.

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06-06-2012, 10:06 PM
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Win two Cups.
What are your plans for the second year?

Hmm, what to do:
  • Deal Carle's rights for a 2nd and Bob for a 3rd.
  • Sign a vet backup G (Biron, Danis, Mason) for $1 mil.
  • Resign Voracek for 4 years @ $3.25 mil per
  • Waive Shelley
  • Turn JvR and one of Gustafsson or Bourdon into a top D prospect
  • Draft another very good D prospect with the 1st

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06-06-2012, 11:11 PM
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2012

(best case scenario)
-Trade for Weber's rights (Simmonds, Read, Gustafsson, 2013/14 1sts), sign Parise.
-Trade Bob, and Carle's rights for whatever picks you can get (hoping a 2nd and 5th for Bob, and a 4th for Carle)
-Draft Koekkoek in the 1st. Wilson, Bystrom, Hertl, or Hyka in the 2nd (Bob's pick). Pray one of those four fall to the 3rd.
-Re-sign Voracek --- 3 years, 3.5m/y
-Let the rest of the UFAs walk
-Sign Biron (2-3 years), Gaustad (1-2 years)
-Teach Akeson how to play defense.
-Pray that there is a big cap increase, and there is a bonus cusion

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Zach Parise ($7.250m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Danny Briere ($6.500m)
Jakub Voracek ($3.500m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Paul Gaustad ($2.000m) / Tom Sestito ($0.605m)
DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Shea Weber ($7.000m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.709m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.738m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Martin Biron ($0.700m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $72,016,250; BONUSES: $2,705,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $988,750

2013*
(best case scenario)

-Kimmo retires
-Re-sign Hartnell (4m/y), Hovinen, Lauridsen, Gus, Manning, Wellwood, Rinaldo (maybe)
-Sign Chad LaRose (3 years), Simon Gagne (to however much he thinks he has left in the tank)

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.000m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Zach Parise ($7.250m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.500m)
Simon Gagne ($2.250m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Danny Briere ($6.500m)
Chad LaRose ($2.500m) / Paul Gaustad ($2.000m) / Max Talbot ($1.750m)
----------------
Eric Wellwood ($1.300m) / Nick Cousins ($.900m) / Jason Akeson ($.900m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Shea Weber ($7.000m)
Erik Gustafsson ($1.500m) / Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.709m)
----------------
Brandon Manning ($.900m) / Oliver Lauridsen ($.800m) / Slater Koekkoek ($.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Martin Biron ($0.700m)
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Niko Hovinen ($.850m)

*assuming the Cap will continue to rise, slightly. Also not sure of the prospects specific cap hits and whatnot.

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06-06-2012, 11:12 PM
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What are your plans for the second year?

Hmm, what to do:
  • Deal Carle's rights for a 2nd and Bob for a 3rd.
  • Sign a vet backup G (Biron, Danis, Mason) for $1 mil.
  • Resign Voracek for 4 years @ $3.25 mil per
  • Waive Shelley
  • Turn JvR and one of Gustafsson or Bourdon into a top D prospect
  • Draft another very good D prospect with the 1st
The main problem here is in this plan we lose Carle but gain only defensive prospects. So you want to weaken an already not good enough with out Pronger defensive corp?

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The main problem here is in this plan we lose Carle but gain only defensive prospects. So you want to weaken an already not good enough with out Pronger defensive corp?
Yes. I'm not just talking, though, about any old Dman who has been talked up somewhere. It would have to be a near-miss top-4 who, theoretically, would be able to step in and play this coming season. Like the forwards last off-season, the team would take a bit of a step back but with someone who would be in the line-up right away and with big upside for years to come.

And in this scenario, the team would still have 2 of Bourdon, Gustafsson and Manning, with another very good D prospect from the draft in the wings.

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Convince Timonen to retire? That just sounds for the lack of a batter word, mean.
I don't know where that was said and I drank too much so I am not going to read more then once. But convincing Kimmo to retire? The guy is the heart and soul of this team. I would want him on the Flyers as long as he feels he can still play. The guy is a player. And the trading or not resigning Hartnell (for the topic starter). Get off the crack pipe. Even when he isn't playing well he is still throwing his body around and causing scrums out on the ice. Hartnell is a player every team needs and there aren't that many out there that can score and pass like him. I was always against the idea of getting rid of Hartnell and the grit he brings.

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If you were the flyers GM what personnel moves would you make over the next two seasons? Using current CBA rules without the use of an Amnesty Clause or a Bonus cushion which could both be part of the next CBA. This assumes that the cap limit will go up about 5% after next season, which could not happen but this is for fun so go with it...

I have no idea if it would work or not but this would be my ideal plan...

2012 Offseason

1) Trade JVR, Bobrovsky, Gustafsson, 1st rd pick (2012), 1st rd pick (2013), to Columbus for Rick Nash

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1) Id say let's give JVR one more year and see if he can make it through a full season, or at least 80% of it, before we try and trade him. His NTC kicks in this year though, so that method is not likely. I think Bobs trade worth plummeted after showing on national TV, that he is extremely vulnerable to high shots. IMO, Gus is our most promising young defenseman. All of that together and two first round picks for...more offense? Makes no sense

2)Uh, No. I'll take Carle for less than the 5 mil offered to Wideman

3) Jagr returns for 1 more season with the Flyers for the same price as the previous season or lower.

4) Resign Voracek to a 5 year deal with a cap hit of $4.5 mil per season. The guy is a TANK, phenomenal on the forecheck and the backcheck, has great strength along the boards, great speed and an awesome set of hands. Not to mention he can take a hit from Kronwall directly to the head, only to return a few games later

5) I'm down with that.

6) Eh...

7) Resign Bourdon to a 1-2 year deal with a cap hit of 750k-1 mil per season


2013 Offseason

1) I'd go for 6-7 years for 7.5 Mil, possibly.

2) Resign Simmonds to a 3-4 year deal worth a cap hit of $3.00 mil per season

3) Do not resign Andres Lilja

4) Resign Timonen to a 1-year deal worth a $2.0 mil cap hit

5) This is the only thing I strongly disagree with, I <3 Hartnell. He's worth more than that, plus he likes it here, he's not going to strangle the Flyers for money.

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Sign Carle (5 mil), Jagr (3 mil), Voracek (3 mil) and most importantly Justin Schultz (1). That 12 mil on top of the 61 (73 total) already according to Capgeek which once Pronger is LTIR is well under the cap (around 68)

Draft Zemgus Girgensons or Tomas Hertl at 20th overall

Jagr-Giroux-Hartnell
JVR-Briere-Voracek
Simmonds-Couturier-Schenn
Wellwood-Talbot-Read

Coburn-Grossman
Mezz-Carle
Timmo-Schultz

Bryz-Bob

2013 Offseason

Resign Hartnell (3.5 mil=Jagrs money) Simmonds (4.25 = Hartnells old money)
Trade JVR or Schenn, Mezz or Carle, 2013 1st (possibly Read or Cousins if necessary) to move to 2nd overall and draft Seth Jones
Sign Entrom (6.5mil = Timmos old money) if not Weber
Plenty of Cap space after big trade to resign Couturier and Giroux for 2014 season.

Voracek-Giroux-Hartnell
JVR/Schenn-Briere-Girgensons/Hertl*
Simmonds-Couturier-Cousins/Read
Wellwood-Talbot-Harry Z/Rinaldo/Whoever
*if not ready, sign a top9 forward with cap space on a 1 year deal like they did with Jagr, Zherdev

Coburn-Grossman
Enstrom-Schultz
Carle-Jones

Bryzgalov-Hoiven

With Schultz and Jones, the right side of the defense will be set for the next 15 years with Jones as a Norris Trophy Candidate

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No one plans to sign Crosby as a UFA in 2013?

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Hey guys,

Lauridsen is sort of an unknown player in Denmark... For some reason he is overlooked quite often.

Danish Tv2sport interviewed Paddock about Oliver, and he had some positive things to say about him..

When you drafted him, I NEVER thought he come even CLOSE to the NHL. Looks like he might get the chance if he has a good camp.

Here is the link, In danish...

http://tv2sport.dk/flyers-tror-paa-lauridsen-i-nhl

Do you guys know anything about him? Or are you in the dark about his level and potential?

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Since it seems like re-signing Jagr and Carle re-signing are likely (Would rather not on Carle but considering Homer has said he can get him for under market value and that some defenseman will get paid a lot more despite not being as good its not all bad.)

Lets say Jagr re-signs for the same amount he did last year and Carle signs a deal around $4 million per season. You also have to figure Voracek is in for at least a $1 million raise. With the $70.3 in cap and the fact we can go over until the season starts (Where Pronger will likely be LTIRed). Since were allowed to go 10% over the cap, the first 2 things I make sure I do is LTIR Pronger and bury Shelly in the minors.

I'm not going to make a move for a guy like Rick Nash, because I feel like JvR is a guy with just as high an upside, and just had a ton of bad luck with injuries this season but last year and in the postseason the guy looked like a star. I think putting him on a line with Couturier and Read would give him young linemates to develop with for the long term, while also giving him 2 defensively responsible linemates which would make up for some deficiancies in his own end. The first line is obvously Hartnell-Giroux-Jagr in 2012-13, while the 2nd line is Schenn-Briere-Voracek. A 4th line of Wellwood-Talbot-Simmonds gives us energy, defensive ability, and Simmonds adds some size.

I'd keep Coburn-Grossmann as my first defensive pairing, as they showed shutdown type ability when paired together. The second pair would be Timmonen-Meszaros, and the 3rd pair would be Carle and Gustafsson, at least going into the offseason.

The first move I make is make Bob avalible for trade. While I love the player and his talents, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to keep him when you have Bryzgalov taking up the majority of the time in net, and a talented young guy in Hovinen who will likely draw most of the starts for the Phantoms, there's not a ton of ice time for Bob to get here. Teams like Toronto, Chicago, Columbus, and Tampa Bay all make a ton of sense. I doubt we would get the ridiculous amount that Washington got for Varlamov, but if we could either get a solid prospect or a 1st round pick I'd be fine with that.

Say we get the #18 pick from Chicago or the #19 pick from Tampa Bay, we would then hold 2 top 20 picks (when you combine our own pick (20th overall) and then you would be able to add to the system. Some of the players I like are Dalton Thrower, would give us a potential Kris Letang type defenseman with a big right-handed shot and can play in all situations, Slater Koekkoek, who would give us a potential top pairing offensive defenseman with the type of talent of an Zach Bogosian, Tom Wilson, who is the typical gritty forward who could be a Milan Lucic clone, Oscar Dansk, Malcolm Subban, or Andrei Vasilevski, to give us a goalie to develop long term, and Tomas Hertl, who is a very versatile and skilled forward.

I personally would take Tom Wilson and Dalton Thrower with those selections, giving us players that in a year or two can come in and give us solid play at the very least at the AHL level and long term be productive NHL players for us.

At this point in the offseason (having re-signed Jagr, Voracek, and Carle, and trading Bobrovski) we have a roster of:

Hartnell - Giroux - Jagr
Schenn - Briere - Voracek
van Riemsdyk - Couturier - Read
Wellwood - Talbot - Simmonds
-Shelly
-Rinaldo

Coburn - Grossmann
Timonen - Meszaros
Carle - Gustafsson
-Pronger
-Lilja

-Bryzgalov

Without a backup goalie and placing players on LTIR and in the minors that is your roster. That leaves us allowed to spend a little less than $6 million left to spend (Since in the offseason we are allowed to go up to $77.33 million). Figure that Pronger's $4,921,429 cap hit that will be placed on LTIR and Shelly's $1,100,000 cap hit that will be buried in the minors and it is about what we would spend to be around the cap anyway. It gives us $4,985,556 to sign a backup goalie and a defenseman.

Sign Martin Biron or Dan Ellis to a 2 year contract worth about $1,100,000 a season, giving you your veteran backup in goal, then sign a veteran defenseman that can push Gus this year and play next to Carle. I think Lilja is done. For the sake of argument lets say Jeff Woywitka for a one year $850,000 deal. That sets in 22 players on the 23 man roster:

Hartnell - Giroux - Jagr
Schenn - Briere - Voracek
van Riemsdyk - Couturier - Read
Wellwood - Talbot - Simmonds
Rinaldo

Coburn - Grossmann
Timonen - Meszaros
Carle - Woywitka
Gustafsson

Bryzgalov
Ellis / Biron

Let the young guys battle it out for the last spot with some camp invites.

Going into 2013-14 I'd assume Jagr and Timonen retire, clearing $9,633,333 off the cap. The first thing I'm doing is hammering out a long term contract for Giroux and Schenn, while getting Simmonds and Wellwood back under contract as well.

I'd bring both 2012 draft picks in and give them a shot to win a job with the big club, and I think both can. That said you would need to add a high level veteran defenseman and assuming the cap goes up $2 million in addition to the $9 million and the near $5 million we will get with Pronger being LTIRed again, we have a ton of cap room. Some would say add Weber, but I think he gets locked up long term this offseason. So instead, replace Timonen with allayer like Alexander Edler for about $5 million per season. With a defensive corps of Coburn, Grossmann, Enstrom, Carle, Edler, Thrower, and Gustafsson, you have a ton of talent on the back end.

Assuming Wellwood signs a deal for say $900,000 and Simmonds re-signs for about $2,000,000 we then have the space in the next year to feed the extensions for Giroux and Schenn, and then a future extension for Couturier. We would line up:

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Schenn - Briere - Simmonds
van Riemsdyk - Couturier - Read
Wellwood - Talbot - Wilson
Rinaldo

Coburn - Grossmann
Edler - Meszaros
Carle - Thrower
Gustafsson

Bryzgalov
Ellis / Biron

And draft a goalie to develop in the first round unless a top skater falls to you.

I put Voracek on the top line because I feel like he brings a lot of similar aspects offensively that Jagr brings (size, puck handling, hands, passing, vision, shot) keeping the offensive continuity of that top line, while giving you someone who is defensively responsible. Assuming that all the young players develop over the next 2 years, both offensively and defensively, both teams are capable. All 4 lines give you some scoring potential, and all would be decent defensively. I want to see how these young guys turn out and give them one or 2 more years. Give JvR one ear to play and get healthy before you give up on him. If healthy I think he hits t least 30 goals next year with Couturier setting him up, and I think year 1 to year 2 and year 2 to year 3 Couturier makes significant strides offensively.

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Since it seems like re-signing Jagr and Carle re-signing are likely (Would rather not on Carle but considering Homer has said he can get him for under market value and that some defenseman will get paid a lot more despite not being as good its not all bad.)

Lets say Jagr re-signs for the same amount he did last year and Carle signs a deal around $4 million per season. You also have to figure Voracek is in for at least a $1 million raise. With the $70.3 in cap and the fact we can go over until the season starts (Where Pronger will likely be LTIRed). Since were allowed to go 10% over the cap, the first 2 things I make sure I do is LTIR Pronger and bury Shelly in the minors.

I'm not going to make a move for a guy like Rick Nash, because I feel like JvR is a guy with just as high an upside, and just had a ton of bad luck with injuries this season but last year and in the postseason the guy looked like a star. I think putting him on a line with Couturier and Read would give him young linemates to develop with for the long term, while also giving him 2 defensively responsible linemates which would make up for some deficiancies in his own end. The first line is obvously Hartnell-Giroux-Jagr in 2012-13, while the 2nd line is Schenn-Briere-Voracek. A 4th line of Wellwood-Talbot-Simmonds gives us energy, defensive ability, and Simmonds adds some size.

I'd keep Coburn-Grossmann as my first defensive pairing, as they showed shutdown type ability when paired together. The second pair would be Timmonen-Meszaros, and the 3rd pair would be Carle and Gustafsson, at least going into the offseason.

The first move I make is make Bob avalible for trade. While I love the player and his talents, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to keep him when you have Bryzgalov taking up the majority of the time in net, and a talented young guy in Hovinen who will likely draw most of the starts for the Phantoms, there's not a ton of ice time for Bob to get here. Teams like Toronto, Chicago, Columbus, and Tampa Bay all make a ton of sense. I doubt we would get the ridiculous amount that Washington got for Varlamov, but if we could either get a solid prospect or a 1st round pick I'd be fine with that.

Say we get the #18 pick from Chicago or the #19 pick from Tampa Bay, we would then hold 2 top 20 picks (when you combine our own pick (20th overall) and then you would be able to add to the system. Some of the players I like are Dalton Thrower, would give us a potential Kris Letang type defenseman with a big right-handed shot and can play in all situations, Slater Koekkoek, who would give us a potential top pairing offensive defenseman with the type of talent of an Zach Bogosian, Tom Wilson, who is the typical gritty forward who could be a Milan Lucic clone, Oscar Dansk, Malcolm Subban, or Andrei Vasilevski, to give us a goalie to develop long term, and Tomas Hertl, who is a very versatile and skilled forward.

I personally would take Tom Wilson and Dalton Thrower with those selections, giving us players that in a year or two can come in and give us solid play at the very least at the AHL level and long term be productive NHL players for us.

At this point in the offseason (having re-signed Jagr, Voracek, and Carle, and trading Bobrovski) we have a roster of:

Hartnell - Giroux - Jagr
Schenn - Briere - Voracek
van Riemsdyk - Couturier - Read
Wellwood - Talbot - Simmonds
-Shelly
-Rinaldo

Coburn - Grossmann
Timonen - Meszaros
Carle - Gustafsson
-Pronger
-Lilja

-Bryzgalov

Without a backup goalie and placing players on LTIR and in the minors that is your roster. That leaves us allowed to spend a little less than $6 million left to spend (Since in the offseason we are allowed to go up to $77.33 million). Figure that Pronger's $4,921,429 cap hit that will be placed on LTIR and Shelly's $1,100,000 cap hit that will be buried in the minors and it is about what we would spend to be around the cap anyway. It gives us $4,985,556 to sign a backup goalie and a defenseman.

Sign Martin Biron or Dan Ellis to a 2 year contract worth about $1,100,000 a season, giving you your veteran backup in goal, then sign a veteran defenseman that can push Gus this year and play next to Carle. I think Lilja is done. For the sake of argument lets say Jeff Woywitka for a one year $850,000 deal. That sets in 22 players on the 23 man roster:

Hartnell - Giroux - Jagr
Schenn - Briere - Voracek
van Riemsdyk - Couturier - Read
Wellwood - Talbot - Simmonds
Rinaldo

Coburn - Grossmann
Timonen - Meszaros
Carle - Woywitka
Gustafsson

Bryzgalov
Ellis / Biron

Let the young guys battle it out for the last spot with some camp invites.

Going into 2013-14 I'd assume Jagr and Timonen retire, clearing $9,633,333 off the cap. The first thing I'm doing is hammering out a long term contract for Giroux and Schenn, while getting Simmonds and Wellwood back under contract as well.

I'd bring both 2012 draft picks in and give them a shot to win a job with the big club, and I think both can. That said you would need to add a high level veteran defenseman and assuming the cap goes up $2 million in addition to the $9 million and the near $5 million we will get with Pronger being LTIRed again, we have a ton of cap room. Some would say add Weber, but I think he gets locked up long term this offseason. So instead, replace Timonen with allayer like Alexander Edler for about $5 million per season. With a defensive corps of Coburn, Grossmann, Enstrom, Carle, Edler, Thrower, and Gustafsson, you have a ton of talent on the back end.

Assuming Wellwood signs a deal for say $900,000 and Simmonds re-signs for about $2,000,000 we then have the space in the next year to feed the extensions for Giroux and Schenn, and then a future extension for Couturier. We would line up:

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Schenn - Briere - Simmonds
van Riemsdyk - Couturier - Read
Wellwood - Talbot - Wilson
Rinaldo

Coburn - Grossmann
Edler - Meszaros
Carle - Thrower
Gustafsson

Bryzgalov
Ellis / Biron

And draft a goalie to develop in the first round unless a top skater falls to you.

I put Voracek on the top line because I feel like he brings a lot of similar aspects offensively that Jagr brings (size, puck handling, hands, passing, vision, shot) keeping the offensive continuity of that top line, while giving you someone who is defensively responsible. Assuming that all the young players develop over the next 2 years, both offensively and defensively, both teams are capable. All 4 lines give you some scoring potential, and all would be decent defensively. I want to see how these young guys turn out and give them one or 2 more years. Give JvR one ear to play and get healthy before you give up on him. If healthy I think he hits t least 30 goals next year with Couturier setting him up, and I think year 1 to year 2 and year 2 to year 3 Couturier makes significant strides offensively.
1. Bobrovsky won't return a 1st round pick so your plan is doomed from the start
2. Hartnell will need a new contract in 2013

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