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06-07-2012, 04:25 PM
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How is David jones overpaid? Automatic 20 goal scorers are easily worth 4 mill. Plus he's already shown that he plays well with Stastny.
I have to agree. $4 million is about what he should be getting (given the comparables).

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06-07-2012, 05:06 PM
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The correlation between a increase in the amount owners can spend, and the increase in player salaries shouldn't be a surprise.

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The correlation between a increase in the amount owners can spend, and the increase in player salaries shouldn't be a surprise.
But it is. Go figure.

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Please show me some of the contracts of impending UFAs and how much they got after back to back 20 G seasons.

Especially the past couple seasons with the rise of the salary cap.
Moulson got a 3 year deal worth 9.4 million for back to back 30 goal seasons.

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06-07-2012, 06:26 PM
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Jones isn't overpaid. He's right in the middle. 3.5-4.5 3.5 being the good deal, the 4.5 being a bit much, but still falling in on the better side of a deal.
I agree.

Some people only look at the sweetheart deals (like Burrows and Moulson) and somehow think that this is what sets the market. No, those are special cases of the player taking a discount to stay with/go to a team he really wants to play for. That, or the GM did better than usual, or the player's agent dropped the ball.

$4 million isn't out of line for a two-time 20 goal winger.

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I agree.

Some people only look at the sweetheart deals (like Burrows and Moulson) and somehow think that this is what sets the market. No, those are special cases of the player taking a discount to stay with/go to a team he really wants to play for. That, or the GM did better than usual, or the player's agent dropped the ball.

$4 million isn't out of line for a two-time 20 goal winger.
Scott Gomez scored 33 one year and 19 in his rookie. Does this mean he should warrant around 4 million dollars?

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Scott Gomez scored 33 one year and 19 in his rookie. Does this mean he should warrant around 4 million dollars?
He gets paid 7 million..........

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All I hear is talk about Jones. What about Rutuu only hitting 20 goals twice in his career and getting close to 5....? I say only twice because Rutuu hasn't done it in 3 years whereas Jones has back to back 20's.

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06-07-2012, 07:24 PM
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How is David jones overpaid? Automatic 20 goal scorers are easily worth 4 mill. Plus he's already shown that he plays well with Stastny.
Pouilot is getting $1.1 million for sixteen; Higgins is $1.9m for eighteen. Colorado is paying a hell of a lot for a couple extra goals.

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Please show me some of the contracts of impending UFAs and how much they got after back to back 20 G seasons.

Especially the past couple seasons with the rise of the salary cap.
Not a back-to-back 20 goal scorer, but Kyle Brodziak got 3M per.

Edit: Colorado has the cap space, though. Might as well use it.


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If David Jones got a 4m/yr contract what is Penner gonna get? 5 or 6million? Pancakes will be in full force next year and who ever has that contract will regret it!

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How is David jones overpaid? Automatic 20 goal scorers are easily worth 4 mill. Plus he's already shown that he plays well with Stastny.
No, no they are not.

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No, no they are not.
the cap is increasing, they are now

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How is David jones overpaid? Automatic 20 goal scorers are easily worth 4 mill. Plus he's already shown that he plays well with Stastny.
Two seasons by the age of 27 where he had a 27 goal season followed up by a season where he just cracked the 20 goal mark makes him a lock for 20 goals from here on out?

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Pouilot is getting $1.1 million for sixteen; Higgins is $1.9m for eighteen. Colorado is paying a hell of a lot for a couple extra goals.
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Not a back-to-back 20 goal scorer, but Kyle Brodziak got 3M per.

Edit: Colorado has the cap space, though. Might as well use it.
jones is better than brodziak, pouilot and higgins,

however i think he is a tad overpaid, i thought if he resigned it would be around 3.5

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I have to agree. $4 million is about what he should be getting (given the comparables).
$4 million screams cap floor to me. I don't think that he is actually worth that much money, but they have a few years before their real players should be demanding the big bucks.

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the cap is increasing, they are now
The CBA could have the cap go either way.

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06-07-2012, 09:04 PM
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He gets paid 7 million..........
Right. If Gomez was making $4 million a year I'd feel a lot better than I currently do about his contract.


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Pouilot is getting $1.1 million for sixteen; Higgins is $1.9m for eighteen. Colorado is paying a hell of a lot for a couple extra goals.
Well, if you want to get down to specific numbers, Jones scored 27 goals a couple seasons ago.

Jones getting $4 million a year is not a big deal. At absolute worst, it's a half-million more than he should get. Is that supposed to be "legendary" overpayment?

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Please show me some of the contracts of impending UFAs and how much they got after back to back 20 G seasons.

Especially the past couple seasons with the rise of the salary cap.
Last year 28 year old Curtis Glencross signed a 4 year $10.2m contract coming off of seasons of 24g(43pts) and 15g(33pts)*67 games* and he scored these points from the 3rd line.

Glencross is every bit the player Jones is and probably better, Curtis is a demon on the PK, he hits more, blocks more shots and unlike Jones doesn't need to be in the top six to score.

Jones was overpaid or Glencross underpaid...take your pick.

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jones is better than brodziak, pouilot and higgins,

however i think he is a tad overpaid, i thought if he resigned it would be around 3.5
Jones is not a better player than Brodziak, they are very comparable but I think most teams in the league would take Brodziak over Jones. The past two years they both have a 37 and 45 point season. They have both been in the league 5 full years and are the same age, the difference is that Brodziak has proven he can stay healthy playing 79 or more games every season. I can't speak to Jones defensive abilities, but Brodziak is fantastic in the D zone and the PK.

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jones is not a better player than brodziak, they are very comparable but i think most teams in the league would take brodziak over jones. The past two years they both have a 37 and 45 point season. They have both been in the league 5 full years and are the same age, the difference is that brodziak has proven he can stay healthy playing 79 or more games every season. I can't speak to jones defensive abilities, but brodziak is fantastic in the d zone and the pk.
kb > dj imo

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Supply and demand. Not many stars on the market, so slightly lower than star players get paid as stars would when teams get desperate.
I think Jones is more then slightly lower then a star player. But I guess nowa days 3rd liners are making 3 mill, and usually UFA's do get at least a 1 million dollar over pay. So if people here say he's worth about 3 then 4 mill isn't too outrageous

EDIT.

This is like people who's grandparents grew up buying chocolate for 30 cents, and now we pay minimum 1 dollar. Its just basic inflation guys. But the cap is just proving its theory is flawed again and again. 70 mill is a lot for a cap team, and cap floor teams won't get any better if the cap keeps going up, soon enough it will be 100 mill.

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The guys will get paid accordingly, question is: will they live up to their contracts?

Jones is worth 4M if he scores ~25 goal
Parenteau is worth 5M if he gets 60+ points
Penner is a reclamation project on a 1 year deal, who knows what he gets

Each has a pretty high bust potential

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