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Doc Emrick: The last 9 out of 11 teams to win both on the road have won the Cup

He mentioned this and it got me thinking. Now, I respect the Doc and his knowledge of the game but this is a stat I had to look up because I never thought about it. How many times has a team won the first two games of the final on the road? Well, he was right the Kings are the 12th team to do it. Only two of the past 11 didn't win the Cup. Here are the 12 teams:

2012 Kings
1997 Wings
1995 Devils
1990 Oilers
1983 Isles
1970 Bruins
1968 Habs
1966 Red Wings
1952 Red Wings
1949 Leafs
1945 Leafs
1942 Wings

Only the 1942 Wings, and the 1966 Wings didn't win the Cup somehow. Good call Doc.

It got me thinking as well. Why did the 1952 Red Wings, 1968 Habs and 1970 Bruins start the final on the road? The 1952 Red Wings led the NHL in points by 22. The 1968 led the NHL too. The 1970 Bruins had 99 points, tied with Chicago but the Hawks got the first seed. Maybe the reason being is that St. Louis was the 1st seed on the other division, I can see that, but I don't understand the basis for the other two.

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Good call?

Someone hands him that info on a piece of paper or a computer screen. He's too busy trying to think up obscure words to impress viewers or over-pronouncing foreign names.

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he knows his info

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Good call?

Someone hands him that info on a piece of paper or a computer screen. He's too busy trying to think up obscure words to impress viewers or over-pronouncing foreign names.
Yes there are stat guys and people who gather information for the commentators, but a lot of these guys do plenty of research. Usually the stats that are handed to them are in game when a defenseman scores and they say that the last time Team X has allowed a goal by a defenseman was 6 games ago. Or that a player has not had 4 shots in a game since November.

It's very possible that Doc Emrick can do a google search and find simple facts like this. He's a very good announcer.

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He mentioned this and it got me thinking. Now, I respect the Doc and his knowledge of the game but this is a stat I had to look up because I never thought about it. How many times has a team won the first two games of the final on the road? Well, he was right the Kings are the 12th team to do it. Only two of the past 11 didn't win the Cup. Here are the 12 teams:

2012 Kings
1997 Wings
1995 Devils
1990 Oilers
1983 Isles
1970 Bruins
1968 Habs
1966 Red Wings
1952 Red Wings
1949 Leafs
1945 Leafs
1942 Wings

Only the 1942 Wings, and the 1966 Wings didn't win the Cup somehow. Good call Doc.

It got me thinking as well. Why did the 1952 Red Wings, 1968 Habs and 1970 Bruins start the final on the road? The 1952 Red Wings led the NHL in points by 22. The 1968 led the NHL too. The 1970 Bruins had 99 points, tied with Chicago but the Hawks got the first seed. Maybe the reason being is that St. Louis was the 1st seed on the other division, I can see that, but I don't understand the basis for the other two.
Was it a 2-2-1-2 format? That way you get games 6-7 on the road. I have no clue but a different format is all I can think of. Maybe a 2-3-1-1?

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He mentioned this and it got me thinking. Now, I respect the Doc and his knowledge of the game but this is a stat I had to look up because I never thought about it. How many times has a team won the first two games of the final on the road? Well, he was right the Kings are the 12th team to do it. Only two of the past 11 didn't win the Cup. Here are the 12 teams:

2012 Kings
1997 Wings
1995 Devils
1990 Oilers
1983 Isles
1970 Bruins
1968 Habs
1966 Red Wings
1952 Red Wings
1949 Leafs
1945 Leafs
1942 Wings

Only the 1942 Wings, and the 1966 Wings didn't win the Cup somehow. Good call Doc.

It got me thinking as well. Why did the 1952 Red Wings, 1968 Habs and 1970 Bruins start the final on the road? The 1952 Red Wings led the NHL in points by 22. The 1968 led the NHL too. The 1970 Bruins had 99 points, tied with Chicago but the Hawks got the first seed. Maybe the reason being is that St. Louis was the 1st seed on the other division, I can see that, but I don't understand the basis for the other two.
The NHL predetermined that the West representative in the Finals would receive home ice advantage in a 2-3-2 format for the 1968 Finals.

It was modified for the 1969 and 1970 Finals so that the higher seed would receive home ice advantage. The tiebreaker (possible two number 1 seeds in the Finals) would be regular season points to determine which team would get the advantage.

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Neither a sixth or eight seed ever won the cup so no one is winning it this season

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Neither a sixth or eight seed ever won the cup so no one is winning it this season

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Good call?

Someone hands him that info on a piece of paper or a computer screen. He's too busy trying to think up obscure words to impress viewers or over-pronouncing foreign names.
yes. he does a lot of things during the broadcast. watching the game is not high on the list.

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The NHL predetermined that the West representative in the Finals would receive home ice advantage in a 2-3-2 format for the 1968 Finals.

It was modified for the 1969 and 1970 Finals so that the higher seed would receive home ice advantage. The tiebreaker (possible two number 1 seeds in the Finals) would be regular season points to determine which team would get the advantage.
I figured that's what happened. Of course all three of those finals were sweeps so its hard to say.

Does anyone know why 1952 was like that? It was a sweep by the Red Wings over the Habs who were 22 point underdogs. How did they get home ice advantage?

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Didn't the 1942 Wings go 3-0 in the Cup Finals and lost to the Leafs 4-3?

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Didn't the 1942 Wings go 3-0 in the Cup Finals and lost to the Leafs 4-3?
Lol that was 1942. When the sticks were wooden and goalies wore 50 pound goal equipment.

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Neither a sixth or eight seed ever won the cup so no one is winning it this season
What seed were the refs?

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What seed were the refs?
Could it be SATAN'S???

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Lol that was 1942. When the sticks were wooden and goalies wore 50 pound goal equipment.
It doesn't matter if they played players played with branches. 3-0 is a pretty bad lead to give up.

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I also read today that in 5 of those last 6 times, the team in question ended up sweeping the series. In the other, the series ended in 5 games. I'm not saying that it means anything, but this thread already exists, so some stats fans might find that additional information interesting.

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I figured that's what happened. Of course all three of those finals were sweeps so its hard to say.

Does anyone know why 1952 was like that? It was a sweep by the Red Wings over the Habs who were 22 point underdogs. How did they get home ice advantage?
A possible reason the teams played in Montreal for Games 1 and 2 was that the Olympia in Detroit held a nationally broadcast, late-night, boxing match featuring Jake LaMotta (the subject of the movie "Raging Bull.") the day prior to Game 1. There could have been maintenance issues with the arena considering the time in history.

However, Detroit was designated the home team for four possible games: 3, 4, 5 and 7.

(thread transferred to History of Hockey forum).

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According to the Toronto Globe & Mail (Apr. 10/52), the Olympia was already booked for Barbara Ann Scott's Hollywood Ice Revue.

Similar to the Rangers back then sometimes unable to play at MSG at playoff time because of the circus.

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