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Tampa to trade for Jonathan Bernier?

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06-08-2012, 12:12 AM
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It makes tons of sense. No need for him to sit on LA's bench, and they can improve there lineup with what will surely be a good return.

Teams I could see making a move for Bernier - What they could give up

Tampa - 10th overall
Chicago - Saad or McNiell +
Islanders - Poulin/Nilsson (to backup Quick) + Grabner? maybe add a pick?
Columbus - Tyutin? Picks?
Toronto - Schenn or Kadri
Edmonton - MSP or Lander + a pick?

Not sure which of these Kings fans would do but maybe they'll be in a giving mood since they're gonna win the cup this weekend
they would take the be interested in tampas for sure
Saad for sure but no way black hawks trade him
no interest in islander back ups Kings have nhl rready goalies already in system Grabner and pick would be a no brainer
columbus no thanks we have alot of defenseman already
no interest in schenn kadri isnt the piece either
msp and a pick would be of interest if it was from another team i just dont see la and edmonton trading with each other with there current managements

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06-08-2012, 12:18 AM
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So what youre saying is, no one, yourself included, had any real idea where that pick would end up.
What I am saying is there was risk involved in the pick that it could have been much better(top 5) or worse then 10th(they make the playoffs). I did feel the Avs would be better then last year but most likely not make the playoffs(which would mean that pick would probably fall to the 6-14th range, average that out you get 10, which would be the value I would trade it as or for with that added risk of it either being top 5 or a playoff pick)

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06-08-2012, 12:23 AM
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Thats a horrible trade for TB IMO. Martinez is solid but hes not really anything special. He would be a 3-4 guy which is great but he reminds a lot of a Nolan Pratt type. Just a solid guy who you dont notice for many good or bad reasons. You want a 6th overall, a 10th overall and a 19th overall. Thats a lot of value there. Bernier might be worth one of them. Martinez isnt. And Muzzin isnt.
I disagree with ur acessment of Martinez he will be special Hes got the best instint on the kings in my opinon on when to join the rush yes even better then drew. Hes young but pretty defensively responsable. With the top four mintues u give him and on a more offensive team and increased pp times its not out of the possiblity to see 30 -40 points and still a + player. I think thats easily worth one of ur peices As good as i see connelly developing he still really hasnt proven anything as of yet (basically the same arguement people use against bernier. ) what if the kings replace muzzin in the offer to suderi would this change ur mind

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06-08-2012, 12:42 AM
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Bernier+nhl dman.

Connoly+Aulie.

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Bernier+nhl dman.

Connoly+Aulie.
Side ways trading Aulie. We need Aulie, won't/shouldn't trade him at all. Imagine in a couple of years 6'6 Hedman and 6'6 Aulie on the line. That would be an intimidating D line.

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Bernier+nhl dman.

Connoly+Aulie.
Yzerman actively pursued a trade for Aulie for a while before he actually acquired him. He is very high on his future with the team, and the Lightning aren't really in the position to be giving up any young blueliners with upside unless it's part of a package for a significant defensive upgrade.

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06-08-2012, 02:23 AM
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19th overall+ for Bernier

I could see that + being a 2nd round pick, nothing more though.

Yzerman stock piled those picks for a reason, and L.A. would probably be very interested in having a mid first round pick as well as a 2nd round pick.

You gotta think there is a reason that one of the teams most in need of a goal tender hasn't made any noise yet as far as goalies go. The player they are targeting still hasn't finished his season yet .

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I disagree with ur acessment of Martinez he will be special Hes got the best instint on the kings in my opinon on when to join the rush yes even better then drew. Hes young but pretty defensively responsable. With the top four mintues u give him and on a more offensive team and increased pp times its not out of the possiblity to see 30 -40 points and still a + player. I think thats easily worth one of ur peices As good as i see connelly developing he still really hasnt proven anything as of yet (basically the same arguement people use against bernier. ) what if the kings replace muzzin in the offer to suderi would this change ur mind
This is your assessment and it is obviously bias, sure Martinez looks like he could be decent but he hasn't proven anything. He sure as hell hasn't proven that Yzerman should flip a 19th for him let alone a 10th and Bernier isn't worth our 10th either. Martinez has only put up 28 pts in 115 games which isn't bad but isn't anything special. And suderi wouldn't get ***** nor would Scuderi.

Bernier<Connolly
19<Bernier
19>Martinez
10>Martinez

TBL: 19th overall + 2nd
LA: Bernier.

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19th overall+2nd for Bernier

Yzerman stock piled those picks for a reason, and L.A. would probably be very interested in having a mid first round pick as well as a 2nd round pick.
I think keeping Bernier as a back-up to Quick would be more valuable.

Having such a cheap tandem allows for better depth throughout the lineup.

Just my take on it.

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06-08-2012, 03:05 AM
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I think Bernier's value has dropped a bit in recent years. He was the best goalie prospect and many expected him to be something special when he first entered the league. I'm not saying that can't happen as we're talking about goalies after all, but still I'd definitely say that his backup years behind Quick have decreased his value and potential that scouts see in him. The hype is not so strong anymore.

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I wasn't saying any Islander backups straight up for Bernier. I was suggesting maybe Grabner and one of our 3 young goalie prospects or a draft pick. I think Grabner would be perfect in LA.

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LA might be most willing to trade Bernier+ for the 10th overall immediately before the 10th pick if Teravainen is available. That's the player that most fits the organization's needs.

How doable is three-way deal to get the Hurricanes' pick of 8th overall?

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Bernier + Loktionov + Forbort

for

Connolly + 10th + 2nd


TB gets the guys more ready to play + the needed strong d prospect

LA resolves logjams at G and C and acquires valuable futures.

Connolly >> Loktionov
10th >= Bernier
2nd << Forbort

To simplify this:
Bernier + Hickey + 3rd for 10th overall + late pick


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Side ways trading Aulie. We need Aulie, won't/shouldn't trade him at all. Imagine in a couple of years 6'6 Hedman and 6'6 Aulie on the line. That would be an intimidating D line.
I think I would prefer to imagine competent goaltending. There are plenty of tall d-men with limited offensive upside out there.

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10th would require Forbort.

Bernier, Forbort, Muzzin

for

Connolly, 10th, 40th,
Bernier, Forbort, Muzzin

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Connolly, 10th, 19th, 40th,

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Bernier, Forbort, Muzzin

for

Connolly, 10th, 19th, 40th,
Now your just trolling! You must've forgot Voynov and Toffoli.

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1. Kings have no reason to trade Bernier (former 11th pick)
2. Kings have no reason to trade Forbort (former 15th pick)
3. Either one of them is more valuable than 19th pick.

Only overpayment will convince Kings to deal these players.

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Now your just trolling! You must've forgot Voynov and Toffoli.
1. Tampa wants to fix their horrible goalie and defense situation and looking to Kings for help.
2. Kings is very deep team in all positions and have no reason to trade their most valuable assets for 19th pick

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1. Kings have no reason to trade Bernier (former 11th pick)
2. Kings have no reason to trade Forbort (former 15th pick)
3. Either one of them is more valuable than 19th pick.

Only overpayment will convince Kings to deal these players.
and the longer you keep Bernier the lower his value goes. It's not like LA really ever lets him see any game time.

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1. Kings have no reason to trade Bernier (former 11th pick)
2. Kings have no reason to trade Forbort (former 15th pick)
3. Either one of them is more valuable than 19th pick.

Only overpayment will convince Kings to deal these players.
No reason? Bernier has great potential to be the no.1 goalie. Many teams should be interested. Quick will be the long-time no.1 goalie in LA. Quick is able to start in at least 70 games. So why would you have young talented goalie in the team for approximately 15 games?

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I'm a TB fan and thought that Connolly + 19th for Bernier + Muzzin was fair. Hearing all these other fans opinions I'm thinking that's an overpayment now. Didn't realize Bernier was under 6' also, around same size as Tik. We also have no need for Martinez as he'd be behind Hedman and Brewer and we can get better in UFA.

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No reason? Bernier has great potential to be the no.1 goalie. Many teams should be interested. Quick will be the long-time no.1 goalie in LA. Quick is able to start in at least 70 games. So why would you have young talented goalie in the team for approximately 15 games?
Quick is UFA in a year. Bernier is Kings insurance policy

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I'm a TB fan and thought that Connolly + 19th for Bernier + Muzzin was fair. Hearing all these other fans opinions I'm thinking that's an overpayment now. Didn't realize Bernier was under 6' also, around same size as Tik. We also have no need for Martinez as he'd be behind Hedman and Brewer and we can get better in UFA.
Good idea. Bernier stays with Kings.

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I think keeping Bernier as a back-up to Quick would be more valuable.

Having such a cheap tandem allows for better depth throughout the lineup.

Just my take on it.
You won't find any of us disagreeing on that. Cheap, effective goaltenders are a godsend.

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Quick is UFA in a year. Bernier is Kings insurance policy
Yeah but if they don't sign Quick DL should be hung.

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