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Paul Martin - which teams could be interested?

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06-08-2012, 09:35 AM
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I'm betting CBJ or NYI.
Nope. He burned that bridge when he turned down more money to go to PA. Wouldnt waive his NTC to come here anyway.

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06-08-2012, 09:38 AM
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Martin for a 1st and good prospect, top 4 Dmen are worth a lot in today's NHL, anyone who thinks Pens get a bad deal because Pens fans want him gone are out to lunch and need a reality check.
A - when you under perform and are making $5M your value goes down
B - when GMs see blood in the water they take advantage, if Martin is dangled everyone knows why.

There is no way he returns a 1st plus a good prospect.

The Tampa proposal in this thread would be the ceiling IMO.

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06-08-2012, 09:48 AM
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I could see Ottawa wanting him if he was available. Not sure what they would be willing to pay but Ottawa needs a top 4 guy.

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06-08-2012, 09:53 AM
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His value has never been lower with his terrible play and a more than capable replacement sitting in the wings in Despres.

Detroit might be able to make something work. Tampa. Florida? Montreal

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06-08-2012, 09:54 AM
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A - when you under perform and are making $5M your value goes down
B - when GMs see blood in the water they take advantage, if Martin is dangled everyone knows why.
...and when the UFA class is very shallow and the cap has gone up big time, then those otherwise reasonable above points simply count for less.

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06-08-2012, 09:55 AM
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Calgary could use another defensemen but will not give good value for Martin.

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06-08-2012, 10:21 AM
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I can see San Jose and maybe Ottawa being interested, as long as we are only talking about a 3rd round pick or something like that.

Paul Martin in Ottawa. The jokes write themselves.

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06-08-2012, 10:25 AM
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...and when the UFA class is very shallow and the cap has gone up big time, then those otherwise reasonable above points simply count for less.
Really? Good to know we will be able to grab a 1st + prospect for Komi this summer too then.

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06-08-2012, 10:26 AM
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He was always slightly above average in NJ and was the same in his first year in PITT, just had an off year last year. He'll be back to being average at everything, great at nothing, next year.

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06-08-2012, 10:31 AM
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Really? Good to know we will be able to grab a 1st + prospect for Komi this summer too then.
Komi's can barely make the top 6 of a team who finished 26th in the league. Martin played the 2nd most minutes on a team that finished 4th.

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06-08-2012, 10:32 AM
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I could've sworn around 2009 reading hf nhltalk topics of the top 20 defensmen and he is was consistently mentioned between 10-20.

Strange his drop off only a few years later.

I think he'd make a great partner for EJ in colorado.

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06-08-2012, 10:37 AM
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Really? Good to know we will be able to grab a 1st + prospect for Komi this summer too then.
I said nothing about the return for Martin. Only that his salary will be less of a problem with every team having plenty of room this off-season, and that his low-light of a 2011/2012 season will quickly come to look good compared to most of the UFA class.

A low light where he still played 23+ minutes per game on a team ending with 108 points and a top3 PK.

Perhaps it is just me but it is hard to see what Martin and Komisarek have to do with one another. Values are as far apart as they are different in terms of style.

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06-08-2012, 10:45 AM
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What has changed since he was one of the most sought after free-agents a couple years ago? One bad season? IMO Penguins fans are being far too critical of Martin. He was +9 with 22 even strength points playing the toughest minutes on your defence. If that's an off year for him I think just about any team in the league would take him.
he was like -15 after like 40 games and played way better in the secound half of the season. I also don't think that he was bad at all. Could he do better? I think so, but he was at least decent. He was also only +/- 1 in the playoffs...(he did onl play 3 games, because of an injury)...

like I said, I would not give him away for nothing, and I'm sure that RS won't do that.

Btw. when the season ended, Shero was interviewed and also pointed out that Martin had picked up his game etc..so if he is traded, I would want a top 6 guy (we could add) or a good pick/prospect in return. (= low 1rst, early 2nd)

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I could see Ottawa wanting him if he was available. Not sure what they would be willing to pay but Ottawa needs a top 4 guy.
I'm not sure if we should do that, but how would Gonchar for Martin sound to you?

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I could've sworn around 2009 reading hf nhltalk topics of the top 20 defensmen and he is was consistently mentioned between 10-20.

Strange his drop off only a few years later.

I think he'd make a great partner for EJ in colorado.
and he was considered a lock to be one of the top dmen for the US at the Olympics.

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and he was considered a lock to be one of the top dmen for the US at the Olympics.
So was Komisarek. Times change.

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06-08-2012, 10:56 AM
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Martin's value is incredibly low because poor play + terrible contract = good luck unloading that on somebody. If Pittsburgh finds a GM willing to take him, my guess is you have to include another asset in the deal (ie: when Calgary gave Buffalo their 2012 2nd to take Kotalik's awful contract out of their organization). If Pittsburgh decides to move Staal, I could see them using Staal as a tool to unload Martin. No one is going to give actual pieces of value just to get a guy coming off a terrible year on an albatross contract.

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06-08-2012, 10:59 AM
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Martin's value is incredibly low because poor play + terrible contract = good luck unloading that on somebody. If Pittsburgh finds a GM willing to take him, my guess is you have to include another asset in the deal (ie: when Calgary gave Buffalo their 2012 2nd to take Kotalik's awful contract out of their organization). If Pittsburgh decides to move Staal, I could see them using Staal as a tool to unload Martin. No one is going to give actual pieces of value just to get a guy coming off a terrible year on an albatross contract.
I don't understand how one bad season makes his contract terrible value. Kotalik couldn't hack it in the NHL any more, that's why Buffalo had to give a pick to move him.

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...and when the UFA class is very shallow and the cap has gone up big time, then those otherwise reasonable above points simply count for less.
Do really think GMs are going to go the ceiling, not knowing what lies beyond Sept .15th (think that the day)?

Do you think players will accept another rollback? If not and the cap decreases teams will be scrambling.

Making my original points valid once again.

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06-08-2012, 11:13 AM
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I could see Detroit having some interest if Suter falls through.

I know lots of wings fans are on the suter/parise train but I think Martin/Semin might be more realistic.

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A - when you under perform and are making $5M your value goes down
B - when GMs see blood in the water they take advantage, if Martin is dangled everyone knows why.

There is no way he returns a 1st plus a good prospect.

The Tampa proposal in this thread would be the ceiling IMO.
My prediction is Tampa's 19th pick (Detroit) for Martin during the draft day.

Basically Kyle Quincey was traded for that pick, I don't think Martin is that worse than Quincey.


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I don't understand how one bad season makes his contract terrible value.
Agreed and his contract actually includes a sizable decrease for the coming season before going back up the last two years.

He's neither as bad as some are claiming but neither was he as good as some say during his NJ days. Yes, he ultimately became their #1 but only for the last 2 seasons and because of departures that left a pretty thin D corps compared to prior years. With all that in mind though, he's a very solid #2/3 depending on system and depth.

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I could see Detroit having some interest if Suter falls through.

I know lots of wings fans are on the suter/parise train but I think Martin/Semin might be more realistic.
I doubt that management has much interest in Martin.

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My prediction is Tampa's 19th pick (Detroit) for Martin at the trade deadline.

Basically Kyle Quincey was traded for that pick, I don't think Martin is that worse than Quincey.
One is paid like a 2nd pairing Defenseman. The other is paid like a top pairing Defenseman.

There's a reason Pittsburgh wants to dump Martin and replace him with a shiny new free agent. Maybe a team like Detroit if they get spurned by Suter will be desperate enough. Any other team would be stupid to take him on after the year he had by giving up a 1st and a prospect. There is always the possibility of a downward trend for an over 30 player. Some players just get lazy once they sign their big money contract.

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My prediction is Tampa's 19th pick (Detroit) for Martin at the trade deadline.

Basically Kyle Quincey was traded for that pick, I don't think Martin is that worse than Quincey.
Except that deal would have to happen at the draft this year, and not the deadline.

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