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Luongo X - The GM Who Loved Me (Mod warning in OP)

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06-08-2012, 11:19 AM
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Luongo X - The GM Who Loved Me (Mod warning in OP)

The saga continues

If you want to kill time between now and October, you can read the previous threads.

Roberto Luongo I - Dr Luooooo
Roberto Luongo II - From Vancouver With Love
Roberto Luongo III - Goldwinner
Roberto Luongo IV - Thunderpuck
Roberto Luongo V - You Only Get Traded to Florida Twice
Roberto Luongo VI - On Her Majesty's Secret Tire Pumping Service
Roberto Luongo VII - Jennings are Forever
Roberto Luongo VIII - Sieve and Let Die
Roberto Luongo IX - The Man With The Golden Medal

Where will Luongo go?



Mod Warning: Please do not bash one another or attack each other's fanbase. Please keep things civil.


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Come on. He misspkke? Don't you think that is quite an error, and coincidence given Kyperos said the exact same thing a month or so ago? He corrected himself likely because he "oh ****, I shouldn't have said that". Again, my wife is French and I had her read the original article, and it was nothing to do with being being "translated" wrong. It was exactly what was said.
First off, it wasn't an article... it was a radio interview for a TV show called Le Match... so if you indeed have your wife read something to you in French it can't have read the original article in French because it wasn't in print. Anything in print was simply a story about the interview... if you didn't even get that it wasn't the original interview out of your "reading" then I suspect the more subtle things like meaning were probably lost as well.

Second, even in the print articles when they quote him... he never said anything about Luongo demanding to be traded NOR was he even asked that question.

Even the mis-speaking was much more benign than what folks are suggesting.

He was asked some vague question about Luongo getting a fresh start (no one is quoting it because it doesn't fit their fake narrative) and his answer was:

"That is what he wants right now"

Later in the same interview he clarified that in no way did Luongo ask for a trade and that if that is what came across, he mis-spoke.

So that immediately turned into newspaper headlines "Luongo Demands Trade from Vancouver"... you can even see the progression over the days in the stories where it goes from the vague "fresh start" question to mis-quoting Vigneault entirely.

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In answer to the question regarding Nash, Howson said he (Nash) requested a trade and because of his NTC he gave a list of teams he would accept a trade to. Not sure how that applies to Luongo, but that's what i remember.

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Should have called this thread Casino Luongo.

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Should have called this thread Casino Luongo.
They are going in order of Bond films......this being 10.

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no point in discussing this anymore until the draft or until there is solid evidence that Luongo will be traded from a reputable source. Every one of these threads has turned into Leafs fans saying how bad Vancouver's prospects are... Summer really sucks

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I know, my thought is that "Casino Luongo" would be more applicable towards the expectations of both groups of fans

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Just for fun becuase Nashville feels left out of the Luongo talks

Nashville gets JVR for Jon Blum + Prospect

Philly gets Roberto Luongo + 3rd for Bryz+JVR

Vancouver gets Ilya Bryzgalov+Jon Blum+prospect for Roberto Luongo + 3rd

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Just for fun becuase Nashville feels left out of the Luongo talks

Nashville gets JVR for Jon Blum + Prospect

Philly gets Roberto Luongo + 3rd for Bryz+JVR

Vancouver gets Ilya Bryzgalov+Jon Blum+prospect for Roberto Luongo + 3rd
Please tell me what Vancouver's motivation is to make that deal? Why do we take on Bryzgalov?

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Just for fun becuase Nashville feels left out of the Luongo talks

Nashville gets JVR for Jon Blum + Prospect

Philly gets Roberto Luongo + 3rd for Bryz+JVR

Vancouver gets Ilya Bryzgalov+Jon Blum+prospect for Roberto Luongo + 3rd
What would be that point of this from a Vancouver perspective?


Edit: Damn you are fast Poundcake I would have also accepted "The Spy Who Lu-ved Me" - From Liferleafer.

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Please tell me what Vancouver's motivation is to make that deal? Why do we take on Bryzgalov?
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What would be that point of this from a Vancouver standpoint?.
Necessary evil to get Blum, but yeah, now that I look at it more closely, I wouldnt do it if I was the nucks.


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Necessary evil to get Blum, but yeah, now that I look at it more closely, I would do it if I was the nucks.
Blum isn't nearly enough for the Canucks to take on Bryzgalov's contract. Doesn't make any sense for the Canucks.

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Bah. This Canucks fan, for one, doesn't really want Luongo traded at all.

We all know how things went in the 2011 finals. That being said, I would rather keep Lu between the pipes and ransom off Schneider to the highest bidder. I feel the return on a trade for #35 could shore up the Canucks areas of weakness or perhaps build upon their areas of strength.

In the event that Luongo is traded, I feel that we will achieve nothing more than relief on the term of #1's looooong contract. The assests that I would expect back would not be enough to truly improve this team.

If Lu wants out for family reasons, then I would have no problem accomodating him. He has bled for this team since his arrival. If he wants out because a number of loudmouths have effectively chased him out of town; shame on us.

It really does seem inevitable that Lu is traded at this point. At least if you pay attention to the scuttlebutt.

I suppose that if he were to land somewhere other than Van, Toronto would be as good a place as any. Contract aside, his ability in net would likely see an additional 10 wins over the course of the season for the Leafs. This would likely put them in a playoff position.

As we have seen this year; once you get in, anything can happen.

Best of luck to both Lu and Schneider. They have performed admirably in the face of a desperate and fanatical hockey city.

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Blum isn't nearly enough for the Canucks to take on Bryzgalov's contract. Doesn't make any sense for the Canucks.
I like that Bryz has been brought up, because even though their contracts are quite similar, one contract(even though it is a small sample size) is not being lived up too while the other is.

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What's the plan for the Leafs if they don't get Luongo? Another year of Reimer?

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I like that Bryz has been brought up, because even though their contracts are quite similar, one contract(even though it is a small sample size) is not being lived up too while the other is.
It's not even the issue of living up to the contract that would scare off the Canucks. It is Bryzgalov's mental state. Every person involved with hockey and even his own team mates will tell you that the elevator isn't reaching the top with that guy. The Canucks would sooner place Luo on waivers then even entertain the idea of bringing Bryzgalov into the room.

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Damn you are fast Poundcake I would have also accepted "The Spy Who Lu-ved Me" - From Liferleafer.
Haha, I saw other thread hit 990 and went for it. "The Spy Who Lu-ved Me" is a good one too.

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It's not even the issue of living up to the contract that would scare off the Canucks. It is Bryzgalov's mental state. Every person involved with hockey and even his own team mates will tell you that the elevator isn't reaching the top with that guy. The Canucks would sooner place Luo on waivers then even entertain the idea of bringing Bryzgalov into the room.
I don't care about Bryzgalov's mental state as much as his contract. The whole reason we are considering trading Luongo in the first place is to facilitate Schneider's emergence as a #1 for us. Why would we bring in another huge contract on a goalie? It makes zero sense and will never happen.

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What's the plan for the Leafs if they don't get Luongo? Another year of Reimer?
That or Ben "The puck bounced that way?" Scrivens. Or as Damien Cox says, Scott Clemmensen... lol

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What's the plan for the Leafs if they don't get Luongo? Another year of Reimer?
Bernier/Lindback/Enroth

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What's the plan for the Leafs if they don't get Luongo? Another year of Reimer?
Burke mentioned that he's been in touch with Dan Cloutier to see if he wants to come out of retirment.
It's tough to see many other options out there. That's why I think a deal gets done soon unless another starting goalie comes on the market. With Vokoun signed and Thomas taking a sabbatical it's tough to see who would be available. I'm not convinced that Harding is much better than what they have. I think his stats are inflated playing for Minny.

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What's the plan for the Leafs if they don't get Luongo? Another year of Reimer?
They could try Harding and hope for he pulls a Mike Smith.

Burke could possibly sign Biron/Chris Mason/Dan Ellis and go for a 50/30 split.

He could trade for Bernier.

They aren't many good options available however mediocre goaltending isn't the worst thing for a rebuilding team.

Worst case scenario they get McKinnon, best case is that Reimer captures some of that late '10 magic.

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I don't care about Bryzgalov's mental state as much as his contract. The whole reason we are considering trading Luongo in the first place is to facilitate Schneider's emergence as a #1 for us. Why would we bring in another huge contract on a goalie? It makes zero sense and will never happen.
Oh no argument here. I was just playing the game and giving my opinion on Bryz. A lot of people think his contract is his weakest link but i think it's his mental stability. Even the owner has had to get involved with the player. He's a crack pot.

But you are totally correct in that the contract makes it a non starter and a waste of time because it goes against the reasoning for even trading luo.

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I like that Bryz has been brought up, because even though their contracts are quite similar, one contract(even though it is a small sample size) is not being lived up too while the other is.
One HUGE difference, Luongo has a NTC, Bryz has a NMC. That alone is a deal breaker.

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Bernier/Lindback/Enroth
I don't see Toronto going after those young goalies as they have the real deal Reimer.

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