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Tampa to trade for Jonathan Bernier?

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06-08-2012, 08:56 AM
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They're gonna let bernier rot if they don't move him or play him. He will become a diminishing asset as he gets further away from being a "sure thing" as a starter. Kid has to play a lot and prove it. Goalies frequently get less in trades than people think. Varlamov was an obvious exception, but I can't see bernier bringing in more than that. A first and a second seems more than enough, and honestly I'm still surprised it would take that much.

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06-08-2012, 08:58 AM
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Wow! Talk about over valuing a goalie.
A 1st and 2nd round pick for a guy that has proven nothing.
Remember the Halak story.
Remember thatWashington got a 1st for Valarmov and everyone knew the Caps bend the Av's over.
Don't think he will get a King's Ransom.

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06-08-2012, 09:21 AM
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Quick is UFA in a year. Bernier is Kings insurance policy
Quick will win the Stanley Cup and he will re-sign with Kings IMO. It would be unexpected, if Quick not be re-signed by Kings. Bernier will be expletive, needless... after Quick will re-sign with LA.
And I think, that Bernier will want to get a chance to play more games to show his skills. He still has a good price so just he needs to get chance but behind Quick he doesn't get it.

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06-08-2012, 09:24 AM
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Remember guys, Halak was traded for a blue-chip forward prospect (Lars Eller) and a potential 4th liner (Ian Schultz), and Halak proved a hell of a lot more than Bernier has.
Halak was unequivocally ready for full-time duties and Bernier still has more to prove. All things considered, it's fairly easy for me to overlook what Mac thinks and just assume that LA will ride Quick and Bernier out for another season. Quick will be an UFA and Bernier an RFA, that's when LA makes a decision.

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06-08-2012, 10:04 AM
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I don't see how Bernier fetches more than a 2nd rounder + a decent prospect. Guy still hasn't proven anything in the NHL, but still some Kings fans think he's worth more than Halak when he was traded...

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06-08-2012, 10:42 AM
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imo the devils will be hard after bernier too. I think they'll sign marty to a 2 year deal and try to trade for bernier and give him close to 30 starts over each of the next two years then let him take over when marty retires.

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06-08-2012, 10:44 AM
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Wow! Talk about over valuing a goalie.
A 1st and 2nd round pick for a guy that has proven nothing.
Remember the Halak story.
Remember thatWashington got a 1st for Valarmov and everyone knew the Caps bend the Av's over.
Don't think he will get a King's Ransom.
1st and 2nd round picks have proven nothing as well

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06-08-2012, 11:10 AM
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Trade him while the value is high! Might not find another situation where this many teams are looking for a quality goaltender. Quick is going no where. He will be Con Smythe winner and signed for life in LA. Players like him don't come around that often.

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06-08-2012, 11:16 AM
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Bernier isnt going to be able to save them if they dont address that D.

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06-08-2012, 11:17 AM
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I'm not even convinced the Kings will look to deal Bernier this off-season. They're really in no rush at this point.

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06-08-2012, 11:18 AM
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1st and 2nd round picks have proven nothing as well
This is HFBoards, man. A 17 year old is always more valuable than a 21 year old.

Until they turn 21 and aren't scoring 60 goals a year. Then they are useless.

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06-08-2012, 11:25 AM
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Bernier isnt going to be able to save them if they dont address that D.
Absolutely correct.

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06-08-2012, 11:30 AM
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Tampa needs goalie and Kings have no reason to trade Bernier without overpayment.
It will be Connolly+.
Tampa also needs depth scoring, so they won't let Connolly go for cheap. I could see Connolly and a non-first round pick for Bernier and a defenseman though. Maybe Matt Green?

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06-08-2012, 11:46 AM
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Ok guys............

let me get this straight.

The Kings dont have the slightest interest in moving Bernier
plus they only look for a scoring winger, nothing else.
We dont have the slightest interest in defenders coming back or more attacker leaving the organisation or only picks coming unless its top 5 pick.

That means we have to find a deal that includes Bernier and a goal scoring winger.
Every difference in talent or value will be filled with picks.

As soon as other young players are involved from Kings side Lombardi will hang up

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06-08-2012, 11:53 AM
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Bernier isnt going to be able to save them if they dont address that D.
The Lightning?

If so, I think that maybe, just perhaps, Mr. Yzerman is aware of this.

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06-08-2012, 12:08 PM
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That sounds like a character from some kind of weird fantasy story.
Its actually ZATKOFF

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06-08-2012, 12:09 PM
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I can't see us trading him on draftday. He I'll be traded on the 1st of July or later like Varlamov. The return could be Connolly or something around their 1st round pick in 2013.

We will not trade Martinez, who has been one of our best defensemen in this playoffrun! Our D-core is one of the best in the league, why change it? Don't get it! IMO!

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06-08-2012, 12:11 PM
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I think Varlamov sort of set the bar for what an unproven starting goalie who has potential could get(he was traded for a first which ended up 11th + 2nd). I would think Bernier has higher value then Varlamov
Bernier will not fetch more than Varlamov. He has worse numbers on a better defensive team and doesnt have the NHL playoff experience Varlamov had.

I do think Bernier will return a 1st but if the Kings keep holding onto him and having him sit on the bench for 65+ games his value won't be going up.

Value for goalies is changing, especially young ones. Ben Bishop had only 13 games of NHL experience with poor numbers and he still got a 2nd round pick in return. He's also older than Bernier. Bernier will return a 1st, or something of similar value.

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06-08-2012, 12:28 PM
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I'm not even convinced the Kings will look to deal Bernier this off-season. They're really in no rush at this point.
They don't play the kid. The longer they keep him the lower his value goes IMO.

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06-08-2012, 12:35 PM
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Ok guys............

let me get this straight.

The Kings dont have the slightest interest in moving Bernier
plus they only look for a scoring winger, nothing else.
We dont have the slightest interest in defenders coming back or more attacker leaving the organisation or only picks coming unless its top 5 pick.

That means we have to find a deal that includes Bernier and a goal scoring winger.
Every difference in talent or value will be filled with picks.

As soon as other young players are involved from Kings side Lombardi will hang up
And you know all of this how?

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06-08-2012, 12:40 PM
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If I'm Lombardi, I hold on to Bernier until the deadline. No reason to get rid of a great tandem, and his value will only increase as he plays more if he is the real deal. Trading him this off season makes no sense to me, unless a team is desperate and offers a great package for him .

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06-08-2012, 12:44 PM
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I wonder if Bernier asked for a trade, or expressed his frustration that he isn't playing enough.

At the WJC's when Steve Mason got the starter role instead of Bernier, Bernier lashed out to the media about it, in the middle of the tournament. Of course he's a lot older now, but that doesn't mean he's not the same guy that would get mad when he isn't the starter.

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06-08-2012, 01:01 PM
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This is HFBoards, man. A 17 year old is always more valuable than a 21 year old.

Until they turn 21 and aren't scoring 60 goals a year. Then they are useless.
So you think a goalie who has in no way proven he's going to be a number 1 goalie is worth a 1st AND 2nd round pick?

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06-08-2012, 01:07 PM
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Tampa also needs depth scoring, so they won't let Connolly go for cheap. I could see Connolly and a non-first round pick for Bernier and a defenseman though. Maybe Matt Green?

No they really don't.

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06-08-2012, 02:06 PM
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Saw a blogger say Bernier would likely cost TB Connolly and a 1st. Umm... no. Not even close.
I agree.

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