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06-08-2012, 11:05 AM
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The Good, the Bad, and the Matt Carle

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-...lumni/45/44847

Bill Meltzer reports "Earlier this week, Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren reiterated his confidence that the club will be able to re-sign impending unrestricted free agent Matt Carle on July 1. It appears as if the basic framework for a deal has already been agreed upon, and it is the tagging space issue that prevents the club from re-signing Carle (or Jaromir Jagr) until the new temporary $70.3 million cap for the 2012-13 season takes effect on the first of July."

I know we all have mixed feelings about Matt Carle. For me, his frequent turnovers often make me wish that he is exiled home to Alaska hopefully to a place where they have many days of darkness.

I on the other hand Carle played all 82 games over the last two seasons with an average ice time of 22:30 over that time.

I simply can't fathom how this guy is slated to make about 5 million in free agency. Homer needs to either trade his rights or let him walk.

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Oh god. Flyers' board meltdown in 3....2....1.....


At least Holmgren suggests that Carle is taking a hometown discount.

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Wouldnt be the offseason or a new month without another matt carle thread

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Wouldnt be the offseason or a new month without another matt carle thread
Carle is the new Carter.

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It's not that I hate Matt Carle. It's that I don't think he's worth MORE than 4M per season. Also, I don't think he's an anchor to a top pairing.

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I am just hoping that someone can get it through my thick head so that I can see why other people say he is a good D man. That way when they sign him to something for 4.75 million per year over something like 4 years I wont have a soul crushing experience.

I know some people that think that Carle was the 2nd best D man on the team behind Kimmo. I can't fathom how Carle is better than Grossman and Meszaros.

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http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-...lumni/45/44847

Bill Meltzer reports "Earlier this week, Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren reiterated his confidence that the club will be able to re-sign impending unrestricted free agent Matt Carle on July 1. It appears as if the basic framework for a deal has already been agreed upon, and it is the tagging space issue that prevents the club from re-signing Carle (or Jaromir Jagr) until the new temporary $70.3 million cap for the 2012-13 season takes effect on the first of July."

I know we all have mixed feelings about Matt Carle. For me, his frequent turnovers often make me wish that he is exiled home to Alaska hopefully to a place where they have many days of darkness.

I on the other hand Carle played all 82 games over the last two seasons with an average ice time of 22:30 over that time.

I simply can't fathom how this guy is slated to make about 5 million in free agency. Homer needs to either trade his rights or let him walk.

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Carle is the only player to ever make a mistake! LOL

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Carle is the new Carter.

Got that right.

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It's not that I hate Matt Carle. It's that I don't think he's worth MORE than 4M per season. Also, I don't think he's an anchor to a top pairing.
But what is that based on? Is it just an arbitrary number you picked out?

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this confirms that we are going after WEBER next year, not SUTER this year.

Nothing more.

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Carle is the new Carter.
why you gotta insult Carter like that..

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ps Carle. plz plz plz test the FA market.. sign anywere except in Philly discount or no.

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Shouldn't that title read: The Good, The Bad, and the REALLY BAD

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I think Meltzer does a pretty great job summing everything up regarding Carle:

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I know there are a lot of people who don't think that Carle is worth that kind of money. He is not an All-Star caliber defenseman. He's not physical and doesn't shoot the puck very hard. He's decent defensively but he's not a shutdown coverage defender in his own end of the ice. But there are plenty of things he does well, and are of high value to the club.

What Carle's critics are missing is this: It is NOT easy or inexpensive to replace a defenseman who played an average 23:01 during the regular season and 25:19 during the playoffs. It isn't simple to find a replacement defenseman who consistently goes out and produces 35 to 40 points per season. Likewise, it isn't a trifling matter to simply find another defenseman who is as durable as Carle. He as only missed two games over the last three seasons combined and started every game in each of the last two seasons.
He's going to get almost 5, if not 5.

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I fail to see how it is a tribute to Carle that he logged a lot of ice time, particularly in the playoffs. He logged a lot of time on a team that was awful defensively. Grats?

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More money spent on Carle means less money available to offer Suter.

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I think Meltzer does a pretty great job summing everything up regarding Carle:



He's going to get almost 5, if not 5.
As usual, Meltzer objectively assesses what the situation is, and what the rational decision is.

The only thing he left out, is that Giroux is very tight with Carle. This is G's team now.

Carle 4.75 -(6 years) until 2017-18

Couburn 4.5 + Grossmann 3.5 = 8 mil until 2016-17

after next year, resign kimmo for 2yrs 4.5mil total


until 2014/15
Meszaros 4.0 + Timonen 2.25 = 6.5mil


TLDR:

next year will be tough, BUT:
from 2013- 2015

Coburn (4.5) - Carle (4.75)
Timonen (2.25) - Meszaros (4.0)
XXX prospect - Grossmann (3.5)

only 19mil spent in Defense!
with the cap rising, we could keep our forwards and probably add 1 big piece

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Carle is by far the 2nd best PMD on this team behind Timonen.

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As usual, Meltzer objectively assesses what the situation is, and what the rational decision is.

The only thing he left out, is that Giroux is very tight with Carle. This is G's team now.

Carle 4.75 -(6 years) until 2017-18

Couburn 4.5 + Grossmann 3.5 = 8 mil until 2016-17

after next year, resign kimmo for 2yrs 4.5mil total


until 2014/15
Meszaros 4.0 + Timonen 2.25 = 6.5mil


TLDR:

next year will be tough, BUT:
from 2013- 2015

Coburn (4.5) - Carle (4.75)
Timonen (2.25) - Meszaros (4.0)
XXX prospect - Grossmann (3.5)

only 19mil spent in Defense!
with the cap rising, we could keep our forwards and probably add 1 big piece
I have my hopes on Weber next summer.

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06-08-2012, 12:46 PM
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Carle is by far the 2nd best PMD on this team behind Timonen.
Isn't that like being the tallest midget?

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why you gotta insult Carter like that..

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ps Carle. plz plz plz test the FA market.. sign anywere except in Philly discount or no.
This is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If he leaves, there's a hole, if he stays, he's going to get money he doesn't really deserve.

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Isn't that like being the tallest midget?
Well if he goes, who replaces that?

Coburn/Grossmann/Meszaros/whoever else don't have the puck moving skills that Carle possesses.

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I think it's just time to cut ship on this one. We need a more physical defensemen. As long as Meszaros is in Philadelphia I prefer his game to Carle's. Carle does somethings right but at times he draws his share of stupid penalties. I am fully happy going forward with Timonen, Meszaros, Coburn, Grossmann, Bourdon. Pronger if he returns of course is what we need. I'm fine with just cutting ship. Trade his rights get another pick.

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I have my hopes on Weber next summer.
heck just for fun:
Coburn (4.5) - Weber (6.75)
Carle (4.75) - Meszaros (4.0)
XXX prospect- Grossmann (3.5)

23.5mil for defense is a lot, but look at that defense!

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Carle is by far the 2nd best PMD on this team behind Timonen.
And he couldn't handle NJ's forecheck whatsoever.

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And he couldn't handle NJ's forecheck whatsoever.
I agree with this, but would you prefer David Jones?

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And he couldn't handle NJ's forecheck whatsoever.
As if any of them did?

There's more to handling a forecheck than the guy retrieving the puck. There's the goalie who could help set it up, the forwards that could slow them down in the neutral zone, the other D who could give him an adequate outlet.

Winning or losing a forecheck does not happen because of one player.

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As if any of them did?

There's more to handling a forecheck than the guy retrieving the puck. There's the goalie who could help set it up, the forwards that could slow them down in the neutral zone, the other D who could give him an adequate outlet.

Winning or losing a forecheck does not happen because of one player.
No, but it doesn't help when you have a Dman that makes unforced errors routinely, let alone when he's under pressure. His biggest weakness is decision making, and that was on full display when NJ was pressuring him. He is one of the team's better puck movers, and we needed to rely on him in that series to be someone to get the puck out, and he could not do it.

I'm one of the few people who want a better puck moving D man rather than a bruiser. Cobrun was the only one that was passable in retrieving the puck and getting it out against NJ because of his speed. If faced with that type of pressure again we'll likely see the same results.

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