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06-08-2012, 01:28 PM
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In those two games you are referring to. Paul Martin was +/- 0.
yes but other teams dont have Crosby and Malkin to score goals to cover over for his +/-

being on the ice for 5 goals for and 5 goals against is nothing to be proud of anybody who watched the games could see he was getting his head handed to him

his plus minus was more due to yyour offense than it was to his defense

at least toronto had the sense not to play Komi

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06-08-2012, 01:29 PM
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Despres only played 18 games and about 14 minutes a night in the regular season. In the playoffs he played less than 10 minutes a night. What makes people think he'd instantly be ready for top 4 minutes (20+) a night.

The Pens are better off holding onto Martin unless they've got somewhere else that they need to spend the money.

Is he overpaid, yeah probably by a million but every UFA gets overpaid. But he's a very good 2nd pairing dman who if playing at the top of his game can be a good # 2.

The depth of free agent Dmen this year and next year isn't good at all and those guys will also all get overpaid. To acquire an upgrade over Martin will cost the team valuable assets like 1st round picks, top prospects that the team doesn't have the organizational depth to give up.

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06-08-2012, 01:30 PM
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It's not like Pens fans need convincing that the D was **** in the POs, but people are just making up their own statistics at this point.

Give it two more hours and we'll have to give someone a first round pick to take Letang of our hands too.
Letang wasnt bad, at least he wasnt pretending to be a pylon

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06-08-2012, 01:33 PM
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yes but other teams dont have Crosby and Malkin to score goals to cover over for his +/-

being on the ice for 5 goals for and 5 goals against is nothing to be proud of anybody who watched the games could see he was getting his head handed to him

his plus minus was more due to yyour offense than it was to his defense

at least toronto had the sense not to play Komi
Are you seriously comparing Martin to Komisarek?

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06-08-2012, 01:44 PM
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Letang wasnt bad, at least he wasnt pretending to be a pylon
Letang gets a pass, because he is young, usually awesome and produces them points, but in the playoffs he was really really not good. Especially not in those two games you mentioned, for which he was available for roughly 1/2.

Obviously I'd rather keep Letang than Martin, but only based on those two games I would not even know why.

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the ones that like sucking. so edmonton should be the most interested.

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Despres only played 18 games and about 14 minutes a night in the regular season. In the playoffs he played less than 10 minutes a night. What makes people think he'd instantly be ready for top 4 minutes (20+) a night.

The Pens are better off holding onto Martin unless they've got somewhere else that they need to spend the money.

Is he overpaid, yeah probably by a million but every UFA gets overpaid. But he's a very good 2nd pairing dman who if playing at the top of his game can be a good # 2.

The depth of free agent Dmen this year and next year isn't good at all and those guys will also all get overpaid. To acquire an upgrade over Martin will cost the team valuable assets like 1st round picks, top prospects that the team doesn't have the organizational depth to give up.
Niskanen and Despres would share Martin's minutes, they'd wouldn't all go straight to Despres.

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Despres only played 18 games and about 14 minutes a night in the regular season. In the playoffs he played less than 10 minutes a night. What makes people think he'd instantly be ready for top 4 minutes (20+) a night.

The Pens are better off holding onto Martin unless they've got somewhere else that they need to spend the money.

Is he overpaid, yeah probably by a million but every UFA gets overpaid. But he's a very good 2nd pairing dman who if playing at the top of his game can be a good # 2.

The depth of free agent Dmen this year and next year isn't good at all and those guys will also all get overpaid. To acquire an upgrade over Martin will cost the team valuable assets like 1st round picks, top prospects that the team doesn't have the organizational depth to give up.
Uhh, No. Ever hear of Matt Niskanen? No need to push Despres to a top 4 spot yet. If we move Martin, there is little need to move Niskanen.

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06-08-2012, 01:47 PM
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Funny how Pens fans thought Paul Martin for Dustin Brown would be a "fair trade" and now they're trying to get rid of him. The guy is so damn overrated, since he was touted as the successor to Scott Niedermayer in New Jersey and never lived up to the hype. Guess Pens fans are finding out he's not exactly worth all those dollars he's earning.

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Funny how Pens fans thought Paul Martin for Dustin Brown would be a "fair trade" and now they're trying to get rid of him. The guy is so damn overrated, since he was touted as the successor to Scott Niedermayer in New Jersey and never lived up to the hype. Guess Pens fans are finding out he's not exactly worth all those dollars he's earning.
When was that? If he plays like he did last year then he's easily worth 4.5 million.

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The Pens can get rid of Martin because Shero seemingly drafts nothing but defenseman every year. We have the depth (NHL ready D prospects) to move a veteran along. Martin makes the most sense since those NHL ready prospects are mostly PMD's like Martin. I don't think the Pens would be looking to move Martin if they didn't have those prospects to replace him.

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Lol 1 bad season and Martin is a scrub. He's a top pairing defenseman easily. Put him on St.Louis or Nashville he's a steal. I don't think ray shero would screw himself over and trade him for a 3rd

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06-08-2012, 02:15 PM
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06-08-2012, 02:18 PM
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Uhh, No. Ever hear of Matt Niskanen? No need to push Despres to a top 4 spot yet. If we move Martin, there is little need to move Niskanen.
Despres hasn't even played half a season of NHL hockey.

Pittsburgh is better off keeping Martin until they've got an upgrade for him. The Pens spend to cap and aalary cap space is only relevant if you've got somewhere better to spend it and in trades the assets necessary to acquire. Even with Niskanen and Martin that leave the Pens with only 5 good dmen and 6 if Despres proves he's ready for regular 15+ minutes a night.

Injuries happen all the time and depth is extremely important for a D group.

Just ask Vancouver how depth at D has hurt them in past playoffs when all of a sudden guys like Alberts were having to take on key roles or Philly in the this years playoffs.

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Martin needs a change of scenery badly and Bylsma's system doesn't fit his strengths at all. People are getting way too crazy with the whole one bad season = pariah stuff. In the first year of his deal he played up to his contract value after nearly a decade of solid play in New Jersey. He may not be a true #1, but he's still been a damn good #2 guy for all but one of his seasons in this league.

I don't expect a huge return for him, but people expecting the Penguins to have to add to get rid of him are going to be shocked. If Martin is dangled there will be interest in him, and he'll probably play much better than he did this past season. I could easily see a team like Edmonton, a fairly young team with a real lack of legitimate top 4 defenders, being very interested in him. The bigger question is if he'd be willing to play there (limited NTC...he can either list 8 teams he won't go to or 8 teams he would be willing to go to...I'm not sure which one).

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Edmonton would likely kick the tires on him. He had a bad year last year, but for the most part has been a decent d-man most of his career.

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Funny how Pens fans thought Paul Martin for Dustin Brown would be a "fair trade" and now they're trying to get rid of him. The guy is so damn overrated, since he was touted as the successor to Scott Niedermayer in New Jersey and never lived up to the hype. Guess Pens fans are finding out he's not exactly worth all those dollars he's earning.
It was a rumor that the Pens had interest in Dustin Brown at the deadline but to make a move like that possible we needed to dump a contract and Martin was that guy. I don't think the intentions were to traded 1 for 1. That indeed would have been a brutal deal for LA

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My guess is that the Penguins would say "Thanks, but no thanks".

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and the Penguins paid for it too giving up 5 goals a game and getting bounced in the playoffs in blowout fashion

i fail to see how that equates to a 1st and a prospect. at least Toronto had the sense to not play Komi

the Penguins played martin and paid the price for it

I wouldnt want him on the Blue Jackets, 3 million for a 3rd pairing defenseman is bad 5 million for it is criminal

and just because he stunk for the 2nd most minutes on your team doesnt make him stink any less
So it was Paul Martin's fault alone why the Pens gave up so many goals?

If you're going to judge a player's value based on how badly a *team* plays during a series, then you'd come away thinking that guys like Crosby, Malkin, and Letang also hold no value. They had their moments of suckitude during that series, too.

Martin's nowhere as good as Letang -- before you twist it to make it sound like I said he is -- but he was just a part of the overall problem with the Pens' overall team game.

Judging his value around the league based on a single 6-game series that everyone, from forwards, defense, and goalie, played like ass, is silly. Judge him based on his body of work over the course of the season, at least.

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Lol 1 bad season and Martin is a scrub. He's a top pairing defenseman easily. Put him on St.Louis or Nashville he's a steal. I don't think ray shero would screw himself over and trade him for a 3rd
He's actually been trending down for a while now if you've been paying close enough attention. Wouldn't be the first Defenseman to rapidly decline at 30. Look at Wade Redden and Nick Boynton for instance.

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Now that we just acquired Vokoun, it's pretty safe to say we don't want Ballard near him

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He's actually been trending down for a while now if you've been paying close enough attention. Wouldn't be the first Defenseman to rapidly decline at 30. Look at Wade Redden and Nick Boynton for instance.
I've watched every single game he's played in a Pens uniform and lot's of divisional games when he was in New Jersey. I don't think he's declined much physically. He just doesn't fit our system well. He needs to play in a much more structured, conservative system.

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The Habs is in need of a minute-eating d-man but I'm very wary of Martin continuing his deterioration.

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If you're in the east and you want to win a Cup anytime soon, make sure they keep Martin and his contract, especially through the process of resigning Staal. After Staal is gone, fine, do them the favor but not now.

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