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06-08-2012, 11:07 PM
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lol you just answered my question.

TB fans are ridiculous cause they want young upcoming goalies (Bernier, Schneider) but somehow feel entitled to get them for nothing and completely rip the other team off.
I'm not a TB fan, and I didn't say anything about ripping LA off. There could be a deal that works for both teams, for example something revolving around Connolly. But as it stands there's a lot of elite defensemen in the draft and Tampa Bay needs one badly. So there needs to be a compromise, because in Tampa Bay's situation it isn't worth it to trade that pick. They can't miss out on one of those D-men.

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06-08-2012, 11:08 PM
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1. He's not a Lightning fan.
2. Many other non Lightning fans have said Connolly or 10 is too much.
3. Why do Vancouver fans always try to wedge Luongo into a thread?
Because he's an elite goalie and everyone should want him.

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06-08-2012, 11:08 PM
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1. He's not a Lightning fan.
2. Many other non Lightning fans have said Connolly or 10 is too much.
3. Why do Vancouver fans always try to wedge Luongo into a thread?
Forget about Luongo. Im talking about Schneider. I remember when there was a great debate about trading Schneider to TB. And they were saying he was barely worth Connolly lol. Some people were offering 2nds and the 10th overall was a crown jewel that could not be touched even by the queen of england!

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06-08-2012, 11:10 PM
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Forget about Luongo. Im talking about Schneider. I remember when there was a great debate about trading Schneider to TB. And they were saying he was barely worth Connolly lol. Some people were offering 2nds and the 10th overall was a crown jewel that could not be touched even by the queen of england!
Well you will be glad to know that what fans offer on message boards mean nothing in the real world of hockey.

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06-08-2012, 11:12 PM
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But TB has a bigger problem......they dont have a goalie!

Pretty sure LA has more leverage here.
Exactly having the leverage and a high value bernier as of right now makes it the right time to trade him if I am the king's GM. This is coming from a Tampa fan and I know that we don't have the advantage in the negotiations although things may change.

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06-08-2012, 11:12 PM
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Well you will be glad to know that what fans offer on message boards mean nothing in the real world of hockey.
So why do you post on this board if you know you are being unrealistic?

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06-08-2012, 11:15 PM
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So why do you post on this board if you know you are being unrealistic?
For fun. But I'm also not the one in this thread derailing a conversation about Bernier by bringing up Luongo/Schneider and fans possibly asking too much in fake trades.

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06-08-2012, 11:15 PM
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what has Bernier ever done or proved?

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06-08-2012, 11:17 PM
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There's really no way in hell that Tampa Bay will trade that 10th overall pick. The draft is too top-heavy in high end defensemen, which they badly need, and there should be no doubt that they're going to be getting the best one available.

Then they'll get Bernier with a different package, and have their cake and eat it too. But they're not trading that 10th overall pick.
And how do u expect to get a Bernier or Schneider exactly?

Colorado offered the same deal to LA and Vancouver they did to Washington.

Colorado had the 2nd overall pick last year and i higly doubt teams thought they'd jump from 2nd overall pick to out of the lottery. I thought their pick would be 9-12th overall.

So with Stamkos, St.Louis, Lecavalier, Hedman, and the 10th overall pick off the table. All thats left that would really interest teams is Malone, Connolly, Purcell and the 19th pick.

If teams turned down the 11th overall pick and a 2nd the year after. Why would 2 teams who are cup contenders want a later 1st round pick and maybe an earlier 2nd?

TB doesn't have the offensive depth to trade Malone or Purcell, and I doubt they want to give up Connolly as he is their best offensive prospect. Lets face it Lecavalier and St.Louis aren't going to play for much longer. Maybe 3-4 years from St.Louis and 8 from Lecavalier.

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06-08-2012, 11:17 PM
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For fun. But I'm also not the one in this thread derailing a conversation about Bernier by bringing up Luongo/Schneider and fans possibly asking too much in fake trades.
I just remember reading posts from you and other TB fans in a Schneider thread and wanted to see if things had changed or another team was obligated to trade their young upcoming goalie for very little to TB

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06-08-2012, 11:21 PM
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I just remember reading posts from you and other TB fans in a Schneider thread and wanted to see if things had changed or another team was obligated to trade their young upcoming goalie for very little to TB
Actually you will find posts of me being fine with both the 10th and Connolly in a package for Bernier. I'm 100% willing to give up anything outside of Hedman or Stamkos to solve our goaltending. Hell, I'm probably the only Lightning fan who doesn't think KingHock is asking for the moon.

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06-08-2012, 11:27 PM
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Actually you will find posts of me being fine with both the 10th and Connolly in a package for Bernier. I'm 100% willing to give up anything outside of Hedman or Stamkos to solve our goaltending.
Okay fair enough. Do you think Bernier is the solution?

The reason I ask is because Mike Smith was just put on waivers for nothing......after trading Richards for him.

As a TB fan would you rather have a younger goalie who has been a backup only in their career or trading for goalie who has been more proven, given that some of your best players (St. Louis, Lecalvier) are moving into twighlight of their careers.

And no I am not suggesting Luongo here. But how bout someone like Ryan Miller if he was available?

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06-08-2012, 11:36 PM
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And no I am not suggesting Luongo here. But how bout someone like Ryan Miller if he was available?
I think your best bet is to start a new thread about Tampa's goaltending situation. This one is about a potential trade for Bernier.

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06-08-2012, 11:38 PM
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Okay fair enough. Do you think Bernier is the solution?
A solution, yes.
The reason I ask is because Mike Smith was just put on waivers for nothing......after trading Richards for him.
Not sure what that has to do with anything. I wish Smith well but I don't blame Yzerman for moving on one bit..
As a TB fan would you rather have a younger goalie who has been a backup only in their career or trading for goalie who has been more proven, given that some of your best players (St. Louis, Lecalvier) are moving into twighlight of their careers.
Younger, someone who will be here a very long time
And no I am not suggesting Luongo here. But how bout someone like Ryan Miller if he was available?All depends on the price.
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06-08-2012, 11:39 PM
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And how do u expect to get a Bernier or Schneider exactly?

Colorado offered the same deal to LA and Vancouver they did to Washington.

Colorado had the 2nd overall pick last year and i higly doubt teams thought they'd jump from 2nd overall pick to out of the lottery. I thought their pick would be 9-12th overall.

So with Stamkos, St.Louis, Lecavalier, Hedman, and the 10th overall pick off the table. All thats left that would really interest teams is Malone, Connolly, Purcell and the 19th pick.

If teams turned down the 11th overall pick and a 2nd the year after. Why would 2 teams who are cup contenders want a later 1st round pick and maybe an earlier 2nd?

TB doesn't have the offensive depth to trade Malone or Purcell, and I doubt they want to give up Connolly as he is their best offensive prospect. Lets face it Lecavalier and St.Louis aren't going to play for much longer. Maybe 3-4 years from St.Louis and 8 from Lecavalier.
It has to be Connolly. It would suck for Tampa Bay to lose him, but IMO they need one of those D-men more than they need Connolly. Also Connolly would fit in perfectly in LA as he's another big, physical, skilled player, which is what LA is built around. Plus even his personality would fit right in in LA.

It's a deal that makes sense for all parties. However IMO Connolly is worth a little bit more than Bernier so it would be LA adding like a 3rd rounder to even it out.

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06-08-2012, 11:52 PM
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what has Bernier ever done or proved?
This. And that's why they won't trade Connolly AND their 1st (10). That doesn't mean a deal won't happen for less.

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This. And that's why they won't trade Connolly AND their 1st (10). That doesn't mean a deal won't happen for less.
I don't think we trade our first, period. Just my opinion.

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what has Bernier ever done or proved?
Great logic, I guess draft picks are worthless because none of those guys have ever done anything in the NHL. Bernier has been developed to the point where there are NHL GM's who think he can be a franchise goalie


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This. And that's why they won't trade Connolly AND their 1st (10). That doesn't mean a deal won't happen for less.
Hold on now, what has Connolly ever done or proved?

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I don't think we trade our first, period. Just my opinion.
Only way a first and Connolly deal from TB is for Schneider. Vancouver could use the 10th pick to get rights for a good player if they wanted.

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Hold on now, what has Connolly ever done or proved?
As much as Bernier has if not he's got more value because of his experience over Bernier. Which is why they won't give up 10 overall for him.

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Since its doubtful Columbus decides to use the kings pick this year I would ask for Connolly and Tampas 2013 first for Bernier and Muzzin

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Okay fair enough. Do you think Bernier is the solution?

The reason I ask is because Mike Smith was just put on waivers for nothing......after trading Richards for him.

As a TB fan would you rather have a younger goalie who has been a backup only in their career or trading for goalie who has been more proven, given that some of your best players (St. Louis, Lecalvier) are moving into twighlight of their careers.

And no I am not suggesting Luongo here. But how bout someone like Ryan Miller if he was available?
Can you actually spell Lecavalier right and at least do a little googling to realize that Smith was a UFA when he left?

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Can you actually spell Lecavalier right and at least do a little googling to realize that Smith was a UFA when he left?
Well, technically Smith did clear waivers early last year.

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As much as Bernier has if not he's got more value because of his experience over Bernier. Which is why they won't give up 10 overall for him.
umm what experience bernier is older and played more seasons then connelly

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Well, technically Smith did clear waivers early last year.
Alright, after being concussed the third time and struggling over two years (which is more a product of goaltending coaching than anything) but alright.

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