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06-10-2012, 05:57 AM
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Here's the link: http://www.sabresprospects.com/2012/...t-preview.html

Perhaps the biggest surprise is nothing on this board's big debate: Gaunce or Girgensons. Faksa didn't have much either (probably because of where he is projected to go), but he was mentioned at least as a top prospect.

HB: are you not sold on either of Gaunce or Girgensons with the #12 pick?
Sorry late on this thread, guys. Just catching up. I'm not really sold on Girgensons or Gaunce that high. Different story if they're around at #21, but I need more individual creators and specialized offensive skills early. I don't want to crowbar one of these guys in at the expense of a top-notch D. I think Maataa is fantastic. If a guy like Trouba were to drop? Again, way ahead of both of these guys.

I can't say many bad things about Girgensons. Plays the game hard, is a good citizen. Side-by-side next to a guy like Aberg, though, I'll take the higher-end shooter (PA). Gaunce was really good at the beginning of the year. I never would have said that he was a guy who could have a franchise built around him, but showed some compelling traits. Game evaluations were quite different in the second half of the year. Drifted a bit more.

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06-10-2012, 06:08 AM
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2012 Entry Draft URL Roundup: Update One

- With five picks in the first three rounds, here's a work-in-progress table of opinions and highlights from around the web.
- It's fully sortable, so just click on the headers a few times.
- Feel free to PM me with any additions, articles, videos or corrections; I'll try and update the table throughout the week.

LEGEND
- X = Interviewed or visited with Buffalo.
- CPBL = Consensus rankings from Copper and Blue.
- HPUS = Corey Pronman's rankings from Hockey Prospectus.
- Positions + measurements = via NHL.com draft cards.
- INCH lists the college players and commitments ranked by CSB.
- Note: RHS is isolation footage, but also has analysis as well.

!CPBLHPUS2012 DRAFT PROSPECTSHEIGHTWEIGHTS/CTEAMAROUND THE WEBVIDEO
 
001
001
5.10
189
L
Sarnia (OHL)
[LW] [THW] [YC] [YC]
[NHL] [YT]
 
002
004
6.02
181
R
Leksand (Allsvenskan)
[FC] [LW] [THN] [THW] [YC]
[YT]
 
003
003
6.00
198
L
Sarnia (OHL)
[HP] [LW] [HPUS] [THW] [YC] [YC]
[NHL] [YT]
 
004
002
6.03
200
L
Québec (QMJHL)
[HFB] [LW][MG] [NHL] [THW] [YC]
[NHL] [YT]
 
005
008
6.00
201
L
Everett (WHL)
[LW] [NHL] [THW] [YC] [YC]
[NHL] [YT]
 
006
006
6.00
183
R
Red Deer (WHL)
[LW] [THN] [THW] [YC]
[NHL] [YT]
 
007
005
5.11
165
L
Jokerit (SM-liiga)
[HFB] [LW] [THW]
[YT] [YT] [YT]
 
008
007
6.00
190
L
Moose Jaw (WHL)
[LW] [THN] [THW] [YC]
[NHL]
 
009
012
6.02
193
R
USA U-18 (USHL)
[LW] [NHL] [THW] [YC]
[NHL] [RHS]
 
010
015
6.04
207
L
Edmonton (WHL)
[HP] [LW] [NHL] [THW] [YC]
[NHL]
X
011
013
6.02
207
R
Ottawa (OHL)
[LW] [OC]
[NHL]
 
012
010
6.03
202
L
Kitchener (OHL)
[LW] [NHL] [THN] [THW] [YC]
[NHL] [THN]
 
013
011
5.11
176
R
Frölunda (SEL)
[HFB] [LW] [THW]
[YT] [YT]
 
014
009
5.11
194
R
Djurgården (SEL)
[HFB] [LW] [NEHJ] [THW]
[YT]
 
015
014
6.02
198
L
Dubuque (USHL)
[LW] [NHL] [THN] [THW] [YC]
[RHS]
X
016
019
6.00
195
L
Guelph (OHL)
[LW] [NEHJ] [NHL] [THW] [YC]
 
X
017
024
5.11
192
L
Portland (WHL)
[HP] [LW] [NEHJ] [THN] [THW] [WHL] [WHL]
[WHL]
 
018
021
6.02
202
L
London (OHL)
[LW] [THN] [THW] [YC]
[NHL]
 
019
023
6.02
184
L
Peterborough (OHL)
[LW] [NEHJ] [THN] [THW] [YC]
 
 
020
025
6.02
212
L
Belleville (OHL)
[LW] [NHL] [THN]
 
 
021
018
6.02
198
L
Slavia Praha (Extraliga)
[FC] [LW] [THW]
[YT]
 
022
037
6.03
200
L
USA U-18 (USHL)
[LW] [NEHJ] [THN] [THW]
[RHS]
 
023
063
6.03
204
R
Ufa (MHL)
[LW] [THW]
 
 
024
016
6.02
196
L
Rögle J20 (SuperElit)
[LW] [THW]
 
 
025
027
6.02
201
L
USNTDP (USHL)
[CHP] [FC] [LW] [NEHJ] [THW]
[RHS]
 
026
033
6.00
204
R
Halifax (QMJHL)
[LW] [NHL] [THW] [YC]
[YC]
 
027
053
5.11
176
L
Michigan (NCAA)
[FC] [HP] [LW] [NEHJ]
 
X
028
038
6.02
200
R
Kelowna (WHL)
[LW] [THN] [THW] [YC]
 
 
029
031
6.01
178
L
Dubuque (USHL)
[LW] [YC]
[RHS]
 
030
020
6.01
208
L
MODO J20 (SuperElit)
[LW] [NEHJ]
 
 
031
041
6.02
210
L
USA U-18 (USHL)
[HP] [LW] [THW]
[RHS]
 
032
046
6.02
189
R
Green Bay (USHL)
[LW] [THW] [YC]
[RHS]
 
033
040
6.00
198
L
Barrie (OHL)
[LW] [NEHJ] [THW] [YC]
[YC]
 
034
052
6.00
178
L
Owen Sound (OHL)
[LW] [YC]
 
X
035
057
5.11
189
R
Saskatoon (WHL)
[FC] [LW] [NEHJ] [NHL] [THN] [THW] [YC]
 
 
036
028
6.03
197
L
Belleville (OHL)
[LW] [YC]
 
X
037
076
6.04
203
R
Plymouth (OHL)
[LW] [NEHJ] [NHL] [THW] [YC]
[YT]
 
038
077
6.01
189
R
Kelowna (WHL)
[HP] [LW] [THN] [THW] [YC]
 
 
039
079
6.00
194
R
Kitchener (OHL)
[THW]
 
 
040
029
6.00
196
R
Kärpät (SM-liiga)
[LW] [NHL]
 
 
041
039
6.02
211
R
Edmonton (WHL)
[FC] [LW] [THW] [YC]
[YC]
X
042
030
6.00
177
L
Oshawa (OHL)
[LW] [NEHJ] [THW] [YC]
 
X
043
061
6.00
185
R
Guelph (OHL)
[LW] [NEHJ] [YC]
 
 
044
058
6.03
184
L
Kent Prep (HIGH-CT)
[LW] [NHL] [THW]
 
 
045
045
5.11
175
L
Prince Albert (WHL)
[LW] [THW] [YC]
 
 
046
069
6.00
198
L
USA U-18 (USHL)
[FC] [HP [LW] [YC]
 
X
047
085
6.00
195
L
Windsor (OHL)
[LW] [THW] [YC]
 
 
048
068
6.00
179
L
London (OHL)
[LW] [NHL] [THW] [YC]
 
 
049
117
6.00
195
L
Sault Ste. Marie (OHL)
[HF]
 
 
050
084
5.11
205
R
Windsor (OHL)
[LW] [NYHJ]
 
 
051
017
6.02
187
R
Novokuznetsk (KHL)
[HF] [HFB] [LW]
[YT]
X
052
078
6.01
188
L
Belleville (OHL)
[LW] [THW] [YC]
[NHL]
 
053
026
6.00
183
L
Kamloops (WHL)
[LW] [THW] [YC]
[YC]
X
054
092
6.02
210
L
Erie (OHL)
[LW] [YC]
 
 
055
047
5.10
160
L
Owen Sound (OHL)
[FC] [LW] [THW] [YC]
 
 
056
051
6.02
180
L
Rouyn-Noranda (QMJHL)
[LW]
 
 
057
081
6.01
195
L
Baie-Comeau (QMJHL)
[FC] [THN] [YC]
[YC]
 
058
 
6.02
186
L
Brynäs J20 (SuperElit)
[FC] [LW] [NHL] [THW]
 
 
059
034
5.10
170
L
Chicoutimi (QMJHL)
[THW]
 
 
060
022
6.02
191
L
CSKA 2 (MHL)
  
X
061
036
6.02
170
L
Stanstead (HIGH-QC)
[NEHJ] [THW]
 
 
062
059
5.11
160
R
Gatineau (QMJHL)
[LW] [THN]
 
 
063
 
6.01
187
R
Saskatoon (WHL)
  
 
064
 
6.00
183
L
Waterloo (USHL)
[THN]
 
 
065
099
6.03
203
L
Södertälje (Allsvenskan)
  
 
066
070
6.00
185
L
Erie (OHL)
[FC] [LW]
 
X
067
119
6.02
174
R
Seattle (WHL)
[WHL] [YC]
 
 
068
048
6.02
216
R
Phillips Exeter (HIGH-NH)
[FC] [MHJ] [NEHJ]
 
 
069
035
6.02
208
R
Färjestad J20 (SuperElit)
[LW]
 
 
070
032
5.09
163
R
CSKA 2 (MHL)
[THW]
 
 
071
062
5.10
192
L
Regina (WHL)
[NHL]
 
 
072
 
5.08
165
L
Portland (WHL)
[FC] [OL] [THW]
 
 
073
074
6.03
194
L
Jokerit U20 (SuperElit)
  
 
074
 
6.04
162
L
Sault Ste. Marie (OHL)
[LW] [THW]
 
 
075
043
5.10
156
L
Prince George (WHL)
  
 
076
 
6.04
223
L
Calgary (WHL)
[THW]
 
 
077
067
6.00
195
L
USA U-18 (USHL)
[FC] [FC] [LW]
 
 
078
097
6.00
207
L
Saskatoon (WHL)
[LW] [THW] [YC]
 
 
079
056
6.03
193
R
Brampton (OHL)
[NYHJ] [THN] [YC]
 
 
080
086
6.00
175
L
Swift Current (WHL)
[NHL] [THW] [YC]
 
 
081
 
5.10
178
L
Sudbury (OHL)
[YC]
 
 
082
 
6.05
193
L
Victoriaville (QMJHL)
[NHL] [THN]
 
 
083
080
5.11
178
L
Victoria (WHL)
[FC] [YC]
 
 
084
088
6.00
173
L
Regina (WHL)
[LP] [YC]
 
 
085
095
6.02
172
L
Mississauga (OHL)
[LW] [YC]
 
 
086
100
6.00
182
L
Guelph (OHL)
[FC] [YC]
 
 
087
105
6.00
194
R
USA U-18 (USHL)
  
 
088
115
5.11
170
R
Niagara (OHL)
[YC]
 
 
089
 
6.00
184
L
Whitby (OJHL)
  
 
090
 
6.01
203
L
Spartak 2 (MHL)
  
 
091
 
6.02
192
R
Chicoutimi (QMJHL)
  
 
092
 
6.00
205
R
Edmonton (WHL)
  
 
093
 
5.10
181
R
HIFK U20 (Jr. A. SM-liiga)
  
 
094
 
5.09
182
L
Saginaw (OHL)
  
 
095
 
6.05
202
L
Indiana (USHL)
[FC] [MHJ] [NHL]
[RHS] [YC]
 
096
 
6.01
195
L
Prince Albert (WHL)
  
 
097
 
6.00
166
L
Shattuck-SM (HIGH-MN)
  
 
098
 
6.02
203
L
Halifax (QMJHL)
[NHL] [YC]
 
 
099
 
6.00
179
R
Vancouver (WHL)
  
 
100
 
6.01
203
R
Brampton (OHL)
  
  
042
5.09
185
L
Vitkovice (Extraliga)
  
  
044
5.10
168
L
Owen Sound (OHL)
  
  
049
5.08
160
R
Youngstown (USHL)
  
  
050
5.08
142
R
Miami (NCAA)
[PLS]
 
  
054
6.00
162
L
Frölunda J20 (SuperElit)
  
  
055
6.00
178
L
South Shore (EJHL)
 
  
060
5.11
172
L
Rouyn-Noranda (QMJHL)
[FC]
 
  
064
5.11
170
R
London (OHL)
[YC]
 
  
065
6.02
205
L
Novokuznetsk (KHL)
  
  
066
5.10
185
L
Färjestad (SEL)
  
  
071
5.09
168
L
Lincoln (USHL)
[LW] [PLS] [PLS]
[YT] [YT]
  
072
5.10
168
L
Saint Petersburg (MHL)
  
  
073
5.10
170
R
Bern (NLA)
  
  
075
6.02
188
R
Nobles (HIGH-MA)
[NEHJ]
 
  
082
5.09
161
R
Waterloo (USHL)
 
[RHS]
  
083
6.00
176
L
Timrå (SEL)
  
  
087
5.09
171
L
USA U-18 (USHL)
  
  
089
5.10
180
L
Denver (NCAA)
[INCH]
 
  
090
5.11
176
L
Sarnia (OHL)
  
  
091
5.11
171
L
Blues U20 (Jr. A. SM-liiga)
  
  
093
6.03
205
L
HIFK U20 (Jr. A. SM-liiga)
  
  
094
6.00
186
L
Windsor (OHL)
  
  
096
5.11
183
L
TPS U20 (Jr. A. SM-liiga)
  
  
098
5.10
181
L
Fargo (USHL)
[YC]
 
  
101
5.09
168
L
Malden Catholic (HIGH-MA)
[NEHJ]
 
  
102
6.00
188
L
Chelyabinsk (MHL)
  
  
103
5.09
162
R
St. Sebastian (HIGH-MA)
  
  
104
6.02
191
R
Moncton (QMJHL)
  
  
106
6.00
175
R
Indiana (USHL)
 
  
107
6.04
211
L
PEI (QMJHL)
  
  
108
6.02
189
R
USA U-18 (USHL)
  
  
109
5.11
195
R
Shawinigan (QMJHL)
  
  
110
6.01
174
L
Québec (QMJHL)
  
  
111
5.10
172
L
USA U-18 (USHL)
  
  
112
6.04
187
L
Magnitogorsk (MHL)
  
  
113
5.11
185
R
USA U18 (USHL)
  
  
114
6.04
174
L
Chelyabinsk (MHL)
  
  
116
6.00
181
L
London (OHL)
[YC]
 
  
118
5.10
218
L
USA U-18 (USHL)
 
  
120
6.00
179
L
Spartak 2 (MHL)
  
  
121
6.00
174
L
Vancouver (WHL)
[YC]
 
  
122
6.00
198
L
KalPa U20 (Jr. A. SM-liiga)
  
  
123
5.10
182
L
Cornell (NCAA)
[CBR]
 
  
124
6.02
166
R
Tri-City (WHL)
  
  
125
5.11
188
L
USA U-18 (USHL)
  
X  
6.02
187
L
Everett (WHL)
[EH] [YC]
 
X  
6.00
155
L
Blainville (QMJHL)
  
X  
6.01
206
L
Blainville (QMJHL)
 
[YT]

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Great work by Baker on that write-up. He is going to be one sad panda when Galchenyuk and Grigorenko are in Montreal and Toronto, respectively.
In my heart, I truly believe that Galchenyuk is the best player in this draft. I think there's a lot more in play here than just skating, shooting, and passing. I won't be sad panda if they can't get him, though. I'm a realist like most of us and I believe that technology has created more intelligence, pretty much preventing a Joel Savage-esque debacle if they stay at #12.

Regier won't win with fans no matter what. It's going to take a load to move up that high. The overpayment will only be justified if he makes the top club roster this fall.

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In my heart, I truly believe that Galchenyuk is the best player in this draft. I think there's a lot more in play here than just skating, shooting, and passing. I won't be sad panda if they can't get him, though. I'm a realist like most of us and I believe that technology has created more intelligence, pretty much preventing a Joel Savage-esque debacle if they stay at #12.

Regier won't win with fans no matter what. It's going to take a load to move up that high. The overpayment will only be justified if he makes the top club roster this fall.
How quickly a guy gets to the NHL is vastly overrated, IMO.

You draft a guy more for 10 years than the first one or two.

I'd love for the Sabres to move up and Galchenyuk. I just don't believe that they have the trade ammo to move up and get him.

Myers is the talent that other teams would want. But, his front loaded extension makes him unmovable, even if the team didn't view him as untouchable for a guy like AG.

I can't see them getting up to the top 2 or 3 picks just giving up picks. And it's not like they have a prospect that is viewed as being top 5 or 10 in the game.

I just don't see the deal that is there to be made that gets the Sabres up that high.

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How quickly a guy gets to the NHL is vastly overrated, IMO.

You draft a guy more for 10 years than the first one or two.


I'd love for the Sabres to move up and Galchenyuk. I just don't believe that they have the trade ammo to move up and get him.

Myers is the talent that other teams would want. But, his front loaded extension makes him unmovable, even if the team didn't view him as untouchable for a guy like AG.

I can't see them getting up to the top 2 or 3 picks just giving up picks. And it's not like they have a prospect that is viewed as being top 5 or 10 in the game.

I just don't see the deal that is there to be made that gets the Sabres up that high.
JB - no kidding...

The part you bolded was me backing up that Regier won't with win fans. Not my personal opinion. Hall, Seguin, RNH, Larson, etc. Joe Fan will have expectations that he plays immediately if they move up real high to get him.

I disagree that it can't be done. I think it's pretty clear that it's going to take a load. Players, picks, whatever. That's why I say "overpayment". It can be done. Whether I believe that it will happen is whole different discussion.

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JB - no kidding...

The part you bolded was me backing up that Regier won't with win fans. Not my personal opinion. Hall, Seguin, RNH, Larson, etc. Joe Fan will have expectations that he plays immediately if they move up real high to get him.

I disagree that it can't be done. I think it's pretty clear that it's going to take a load. Players, picks, whatever. That's why I say "overpayment". It can be done. Whether I believe that it will happen is whole different discussion.
What package could the Sabres offer up to Edmonton to make them move out of #1? Myers is the only guy worth moving out for them and they can't handle the contract.

Columbus might want Miller in a deal for the #2 pick. But, that might not even be enough.

And I can't think of any package that would see Montreal trade the 3rd pick to a division rival.

What kind of "overpayment" do you think the Sabres could offer that would entice one of those teams? I can't think of any combination that would make sense based on the needs of those teams. Unless you're talking about giving up multiples parts of the young core of Ennis, Hodgson, Foligno, and the like.

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Tim Bozon is a guy I'd like in the 2nd round. Good sniper potential.

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What package could the Sabres offer up to Edmonton to make them move out of #1? Myers is the only guy worth moving out for them and they can't handle the contract.

Columbus might want Miller in a deal for the #2 pick. But, that might not even be enough.

And I can't think of any package that would see Montreal trade the 3rd pick to a division rival.

What kind of "overpayment" do you think the Sabres could offer that would entice one of those teams? I can't think of any combination that would make sense based on the needs of those teams. Unless you're talking about giving up multiples parts of the young core of Ennis, Hodgson, Foligno, and the like.
You kind of started the answer, but it's so difficult because the cast of characters likely changes with each conversation. I think you have to be willing to move a part of your young core the do this. Add in a roster player and some monopoly $ (picks), and the conversation is hypothetically under way. A wildcard in this is how much a team values Pysyk against the top defenders in the draft. Is he an added element that tips a team to move to 12th while getting help in other areas? That's a very real discussion, and to me sounds like it's bordering on overpayment. I think that's why a top-5 pick rarely gets moved.

I don't use a Vanek to move up. I use him as a base to get another forward.

Trust me, I get what you're saying, but I don't think it's a total fantasy.

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You kind of started the answer, but it's so difficult because the cast of characters likely changes with each conversation. I think you have to be willing to move a part of your young core the do this. Add in a roster player and some monopoly $ (picks), and the conversation is hypothetically under way. A wildcard in this is how much a team values Pysyk against the top defenders in the draft. Is he an added element that tips a team to move to 12th while getting help in other areas? That's a very real discussion, and to me sounds like it's bordering on overpayment. I think that's why a top-5 pick rarely gets moved.

I don't use a Vanek to move up. I use him as a base to get another forward.

Trust me, I get what you're saying, but I don't think it's a total fantasy.
Duck and cover if the Sabres move Hodgson or Ennis, Pysyk, and 12 to get in the top 2 or 3 picks to take AG!

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Duck and cover if the Sabres move Hodgson or Ennis, Pysyk, and 12 to get in the top 2 or 3 picks to take AG!
Don't try to trap me by putting words into my mouth. You're the first one to type those players into an infamous hf proposal here, not me! LOL Some may think Pysyk could be part of that young core. If I use the term wildcard, perhaps I'm using it to deaden the blow.

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Don't try to trap me by putting words into my mouth. You're the first one to type those players into an infamous hf proposal here, not me! LOL Some may think Pysyk could be part of that young core. If I use the term wildcard, perhaps I'm using it to deaden the blow.
I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, at all.

I was just saying that if Regier made a trade like that, duck and cover because there would be some serious HFB ranting and raving going on.

I don't see Pysyk having huge trade value yet as he doesn't have a lot of buzz as a big time prospect. Armia seems to be viewed as the #1 guy the Sabres have and even he's a guy that likely isn't in the top 20 of most prospect lists as a mid-1st last year that didn't have a huge year this year.

The Sabres don't have a guy like Brayden Schenn or Hodgson of a few years ago that had a lot of buzz.

So, it's all about whether you can go with volume of prospects/young players for a gem. And I don't know if those teams drafting at the top of the draft want to make that sort of deal.

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I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, at all.

I was just saying that if Regier made a trade like that, duck and cover because there would be some serious HFB ranting and raving going on.

I don't see Pysyk having huge trade value yet as he doesn't have a lot of buzz as a big time prospect. Armia seems to be viewed as the #1 guy the Sabres have and even he's a guy that likely isn't in the top 20 of most prospect lists as a mid-1st last year that didn't have a huge year this year.

The Sabres don't have a guy like Brayden Schenn or Hodgson of a few years ago that had a lot of buzz.

So, it's all about whether you can go with volume of prospects/young players for a gem. And I don't know if those teams drafting at the top of the draft want to make that sort of deal.
Just making sure. I think we all agree that the package would look different based on who they were talking to. Between you and I (ha), I agree with you on Pysyk but can't speak for other team's evaluators.

A lot of this comes down to how much of an upgrade Galchenyuk projects to be over Ennis/Hodgson. I think there is an upgrade based on the size, talent level, and 200-ft game...how teams come together to level that off is an interesting conversation (if it were to come to that).

But going back to original point, the broad thought is that it is possible. It's part of re-training the mind with a more liberal spending owner in place (for me anyways). The main argument against that is that he's seemingly happier with the young core. Tropp and Foligno were creating the chaos in front of the net that 26 is supposed to...at a fraction of the price.

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HB: First off loved the writeup, read it every year. I am wondering what your thoughts on Radek Faksa are. I noticed in the comments section you addressed him briefly in comparison to Hertl. You said that Hertl was more noticeable at the WJC which seems to be the consensus by alot of people, so do you prefer him to Faksa? Also Faksa was not in your list of targets at #12, is this because; you believe he will be off the board by then, that you don't believe he should be a target with that pick, or does the injury possibly scare you off?

I know people hate doing player comparisons but who does Faksa remind you the most of, and what do you see his potential as being?

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HB: First off loved the writeup, read it every year. I am wondering what your thoughts on Radek Faksa are. I noticed in the comments section you addressed him briefly in comparison to Hertl. You said that Hertl was more noticeable at the WJC which seems to be the consensus by alot of people, so do you prefer him to Faksa? Also Faksa was not in your list of targets at #12, is this because; you believe he will be off the board by then, that you don't believe he should be a target with that pick, or does the injury possibly scare you off?

I know people hate doing player comparisons but who does Faksa remind you the most of, and what do you see his potential as being?
Hertl had the better tourney but Faksa (who I have more insight into) was a consistent producer and improved in other areas as the season went on. He had a strong game in Erie late in the year. Scored twice including one 20-seconds in where he separated from a defender and chipped the puck over the goalie's shoulder. Later created and finished a 3x1. Won his share of draws, added two helpers. Could hear his skates digging in all game. I mentioned him elsewhere as a slight possibility for falling to #12, but I don't think that'll happen. He seems safe since his size, speed, and play away from the puck should make him serviceable even if he doesn't hit his high-end. Player comparison ehhhh...I suppose some of the plays in that Erie game support the consensus that his long arms, long stick and way he protects the puck are Staal-ish. Not too concerned with injury.

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Why didnt we interview any forwards in the first round?

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JB - no kidding...

The part you bolded was me backing up that Regier won't with win fans. Not my personal opinion. Hall, Seguin, RNH, Larson, etc. Joe Fan will have expectations that he plays immediately if they move up real high to get him.

I disagree that it can't be done. I think it's pretty clear that it's going to take a load. Players, picks, whatever. That's why I say "overpayment". It can be done. Whether I believe that it will happen is whole different discussion.
Can it be done with:
12, 21, McNabb, Armia
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Can it be done with:
12, 21, McNabb, Armia
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I was thinking similar to

12,21, Pysyk, Armia for #2 or #1

I wonder if Columbus would want enroth

12 21 Armia enroth for #2 then flip Derek Roy to somebody

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What package could the Sabres offer up to Edmonton to make them move out of #1? Myers is the only guy worth moving out for them and they can't handle the contract.

Columbus might want Miller in a deal for the #2 pick. But, that might not even be enough.

And I can't think of any package that would see Montreal trade the 3rd pick to a division rival.

What kind of "overpayment" do you think the Sabres could offer that would entice one of those teams? I can't think of any combination that would make sense based on the needs of those teams. Unless you're talking about giving up multiples parts of the young core of Ennis, Hodgson, Foligno, and the like.
We don't need the number 1 pick. CBJ's GM has stated an interest in offers for the 2nd overall, which might mean we'd be bidding against other teams a bit, but I do think we have the pieces to get a trade done there. (Enroth might be attractive to them, since they're looking to completely revamp their goaltending, the 12th and 21st are decent assets.) I think a deal with NYI for the 4th overall is within reach, but obviously provides less of a guarantee that our guy will still be on the board (Roy, Leo, Pysyk, and picks could all be involved in that).
People on these boards tend to heavily overvalue picks. idk if DR will move up the draft, but I definitely think he can. I would love seeing AG put on a Sabres sweater at the draft. Kid seems to have all the intangibles, explosive skating, and great offensive skill.

ETA: I also agree that the probability of such a trade may hinder on how other GMs see Pysyk/McNabb stacking up against the defenders in this year's draft. But there's also the upside of McNabb being well along on the road to proving he's not a bust and coming to their team at or very close to NHL-ready.


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I was thinking similar to

12,21, Pysyk, Armia for #2 or #1

I wonder if Columbus would want enroth

12 21 Armia enroth for #2 then flip Derek Roy to somebody
That's what I was thinking as well, but for #2.

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Great work Woodhouse.

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