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Calder Cup Finals - Norfolk Admirals vs. Toronto Marlies

View Poll Results: Who will win the series?
Admirals in 4 3 5.08%
Admirals in 5 10 16.95%
Admirals in 6 18 30.51%
Admirals in 7 3 5.08%
Marlies in 4 1 1.69%
Marlies in 5 4 6.78%
Marlies in 6 15 25.42%
Marlies in 7 5 8.47%
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06-10-2012, 12:34 PM
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Can you name one pro sports league that would have "reset" a game after is was considered "official" due to a misapplication of the rules?
edit: As the guy said before me......

MLB does. From the point of the misinterpretation, so long as the protest is launched at the time of the umpire's decision.

That's just off the top of my head. There may be other professional leagues that have the same rule.


NBA allows it as well:

Protests are not permitted during the course of a game. In order to file a protest, the procedure, as set forth in the NBA constitution, is as follows: "In order to protest against or appeal from the result of a game, notice thereof must be given to the Commissioner within forty-eight (48) hours after the conclusion of said game, by E-mail or fax, stating therein the grounds for such protest. No protest may be filed in connection with any game played during the regular season after midnight of the day of the last game of the regular schedule. A protest in connection with a playoff game must be filed not later than midnight of the day of the game protested. A game may be protested only by a Governor, Alternate Governor or Head Coach. The right of protest shall inure not only to the immediately allegedly aggrieved con-testants, but to any other member who can show an interest in the grounds of protest and the results that might be attained if the protest were allowed. Each E-mail or fax of protest shall be immediately confirmed by letter and no protest shall be valid unless the letter of confirmation is accompanied by a check in the sum of $10,000 payable to the Association. If the member filing the protest prevails, the $10,000 is to be refunded. If the member does not prevail, the $10,000 is to be for-feited and retained in the Association treasury.

"Upon receipt of a protest, the Commissioner shall at once notify the member operating the opposing team in the game protested and require both of said mem-bers within five (5) days to file with him such evidence as he may desire bearing upon the issue. The Commissioner shall decide the question raised within five (5) days after receipt of such evidence."


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In both cases, the game is not official until the filed protest is heard. Technically last night's Celtics/Heat game was not official until midnight last night.

The AHL (and NHL) do not have such a provision.

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06-10-2012, 01:29 PM
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We know. But there ARE professional leagues that do, and maybe the NHL, and the AHL, should allow for this as well.

It would not have been out of the question to resume that game from the point of the misinterpretation, finish it, and so long as that overtime did not take too long (a predetermined amount of playing time, say 20 minutes of actual time), they could have given both teams an hour of rest and played Game 4 immediately afterwards.

It's something to consider anyhow.

Or just get it right to begin with.

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We know. But there ARE professional leagues that do, and maybe the NHL, and the AHL, should allow for this as well.

It would not have been out of the question to resume that game from the point of the misinterpretation, finish it, and so long as that overtime did not take too long (a predetermined amount of playing time, say 20 minutes of actual time), they could have given both teams an hour of rest and played Game 4 immediately afterwards.

It's something to consider anyhow.

Or just get it right to begin with.
No, there aren't. There is a difference between the game being over and the game being official. No league goes back to restart/resume games that have been declared "official".

Should the AHL & NHL have some sort of protest system? Absolutely. But even if they put one in place the day after game three, it wouldn't have mattered because by that time game three was "official".

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06-10-2012, 05:07 PM
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You can't go back on an official's mistake on a judgement call after the game is finished. Yes, that one was at the end of the game, but you could go back a dozen or more other times during the game on a penalty, off sides, icing, or any other play where the official screwed up. Any one of those might have also impacted the game.

The only way to have something like this would be an NFL system where there are a set number of coach's challenges each game. In hockey, I'm guess it would be no more than 1 a game. Even then the use would be very limited. And that wouldn't have applied in this case anyway because the Toronto coaches didn't realize that the Ads were off side until the press conference.

Goals are already reviewed and we see how badly Toronto screws them up even with a replay. If they rule that when Chara hits a puck into the net from over his head that it wasn't above the crossbar, then I don't see how the league could possibly handle a replay system.

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06-10-2012, 07:27 PM
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In both cases, the game is not official until the filed protest is heard. Technically last night's Celtics/Heat game was not official until midnight last night.

The AHL (and NHL) do not have such a provision.
Technically true, but that is splitting hairs though based on the initial question you asked.

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Protests in sports are bogus as the 1996 Baltimore Orioles found out even though the claim they had was right on.

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Major League Baseball, actually.


http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info...tart_end_4.jsp

And probably the most famous example of a successful protest, which overturned a game-ending misapplication of the rules:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Tar_Incident
Something went against the Yankees???

I'm still bitter the protest of jeffrey Maier in the 96 ALCS was denied. That was more obvious than a freaking pine tar incident. That damn kid wasn't even originally supposed to be at the game either. The tickets were actually his neighbors or friends of his parents as I heard on a documentary type thing a few years back.

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Technically true, but that is splitting hairs though based on the initial question you asked.
The question I asked was specific:
Can you name one pro sports league that would have "reset" a game after is was considered "official" due to a misapplication of the rules?

The problem is confusion over the the difference between the game being over and the game being "official".

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Protests in sports are bogus as the 1996 Baltimore Orioles found out even though the claim they had was right on.
You can't protest judgement calls in MLB. The Orioles were right in that is was fan interference, but because that's a judgement call for the umpire any protest will be (and was) denied.

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The question I asked was specific:
Can you name one pro sports league that would have "reset" a game after is was considered "official" due to a misapplication of the rules?

The problem is confusion over the the difference between the game being over and the game being "official".
Just to clarify what I am suggesting:

Once the players leave the ice the game is official, no matter what rule may have been misapplied. However, IF the Marlies (or any NHL team for that matter) were to approach the officials at the time of the decision and ask for a reversal of the call due to the rule being incorrectly applied, and the officials refuse, I think the team should have every right to continue the game under protest. The league can rule on it after the fact and if the protest is deemed to be correct, then the game should be resumed at the earliest possible time and continued from the point of the incorrect rule application.

In this case, IF the Marlies had asked the officials to consider the fact that there was an Admiral player in an off-side position on the original "shot on goal", and that should nullify the goal, and the officials refused the request, then the Marlies should have the right to protest that decision (it's not a judgement call keep in mind, it is an interpretation of the rules at that point), then the game should not be official until the league rules on the protest.

If the Marlies leave the ice, as they did in this situation, then once the last player leaves, the game is official, no matter what.

So rarely are the rules misapplied that it doesn't usually become an issue, but I think the NHL (and the AHL) should have something like this in place. That's all I am suggesting.

In this case it would never have mattered as the teams were long gone before anyone realized the wrong call was made on an interpretation of the official rules. Game over, and game is official.

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