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Crosby Signing a 10-Year Deal Worth $90 Million?

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06-10-2012, 03:16 PM
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9 million is fair. 10 years sounds a little shaky, but Crosby is worth it.

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06-10-2012, 03:20 PM
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Nobody has ever explained to me the "risk" in signing an injury prone player to a 10 year contract.


If he gets hurt, you get the cap space back.

If he retires, the contract comes off the books.


I dont see the problem. If the Pens can get him to commit the rest of his career to Pittsburgh, they do it.
I guess the reasoning is that when he on LTIR for a year like he was recently, then you do have the cap space, but you also have the contract on the books, you are out the real world money and the planing security of knowing what your cap situation is next year, because you don't know if he comes back and when. I don't care, it was **** last year, but for Crosby you do it again and again any time.

It also was a freaking concussion from a legit hard hit that he is cured from. Can it happen again? Sure, but he does not have glassbones disease or some such thing. People act like you can somehow anticipate an >50% chance of it happening again, when in reality you can be all coy about giving him a contract or trade him and treat him like a raw egg, and then Raffi Torres takes a cheap shot at Malkin's noggin first thing next season.

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Or he could not retire, and keep collecting paychecks and free medical care. No one turns down free money. If he gets hurt bad, he'll see that contract through to the end. It'll go on LTIR of course, but it still means you can kiss any prorated cap space, and thus any significant TDL additions, goodbye.
because he clearly hates this organization and would do that instead of just accepting the front office job they would offer him immediately upon his departure... If they put faith in him and give him a 10 year deal, you think he's going to burn them....?

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06-10-2012, 03:29 PM
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If he gets that much and ends up being LTIRed, I'm pretty sure Ron Burkle could find $90 million scattered on his night stand. No big deal.

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He'll retire as a Penguin, can't see anything other than $8.7m though.

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If it's a ten year deal then it's worth $87,878,787.87. There is no other way.

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06-10-2012, 04:06 PM
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because he clearly hates this organization and would do that instead of just accepting the front office job they would offer him immediately upon his departure... If they put faith in him and give him a 10 year deal, you think he's going to burn them....?
Are they going to pay him $9 mill per to work in the front office? He will collect his money. Love of the organization has nothing to do with it and is overrated.

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Nobody has ever explained to me the "risk" in signing an injury prone player to a 10 year contract.


If he gets hurt, you get the cap space back.

If he retires, the contract comes off the books.


I dont see the problem. If the Pens can get him to commit the rest of his career to Pittsburgh, they do it.
If he gets a serious injury at the beginning of the season, his cap hit will go on the LTIR but who is Pittsburgh going to sign? It's not like there's any decent UFAs available in October.

Also, if he takes another serious concussion next season and misses a season, coming back two seasons later, is he going to be worth the contract? Patrice Bergeron went from being a 70 point player to getting ~40 points in his first full season back. Yes, Bergeron has progressed nicely over the years but concussions aren't a predictable thing, not all players recover the same. What if Crosby gets a $90 million contract for 10 years, and 3 years from now will be taking up a $9 million cap hit for another 7 years after a concussion and can't put up more than 50 points in a season?

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06-10-2012, 04:15 PM
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Are they going to pay him $9 mill per to work in the front office? He will collect his money. Love of the organization has nothing to do with it and is overrated.
he's clearly showed signs of being a money grabber his whole career...

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he's clearly showed signs of being a money grabber his whole career...
That isn't the point... Would you pass up on $50 million dollars because you like the company you work for?

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See: 03-04 Avalanche

Tanguay - Forsberg - Hejduk
Kariya - Sakic - Selanne

Doesn't always work out the way you may think.
EA sports tells me that if you put star player A with star player B then you have success. When have they been wrong?

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Also, if he takes another serious concussion next season and misses a season, coming back two seasons later, is he going to be worth the contract? Patrice Bergeron went from being a 70 point player to getting ~40 points in his first full season back.
Bergeron scored 39 his first full season back. Crosby scored 37 points in 22 games last year.

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EA sports tells me that if you put star player A with star player B then you have success. When have they been wrong?
Just one time, on the Neal to Pens deal.

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Whatever, I think, it is really nice how concerned everyone here is about Ronald Burkle ending up in the poorhouse.

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That isn't the point... Would you pass up on $50 million dollars because you like the company you work for?
You act like there is no money for him out there if this happens. There are other well paying jobs in the hockey world.

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I'm not sure how Crosby making 9 million or 9.3 million spells the end of Staal here. I think that's what the media wants people to think, so they can stir up a debate and get more viewers and readers.

Staal may very well end up elsewhere this offseason, but money won't be the reason.

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He can get 14 million, but takes a 5 million dollar pay cut (For you math geeks, that's a 37% discount) to stay here and help the team win.

I thought he wasn't a good leader?
I think he gets those 5 million from sponsorship deals.

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Can he sign on July 1st? I would love to have him back at 9m-10m. I don't see him holding out for near max due to durability concerns and if the NHLPA complains about it, then who cares. Player are forced to join the union anyway so loyalty to them doesn't mean too much.

Doesn't really matter though since it is just speculation. For all we know, he could go for a max deal until he's 40.

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How does this mean Staal is leaving?

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Crosby will get what he wants from whichever NHL city he wants to play in. Hell, if he told Bettman "I'm retiring unless you put an expansion team in [insert city here]" he'd probably get that, too.

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Yeah that's a pretty good lineup I guess

But seriously...

- 3 hall of famers (Sakic, Selanne, Forsberg)
- 1 borderline hall of famer (Kariya. I, personally, would have him in but I don't know if he actually will make it. Would be a clear hofer if it wasn't for injuries)
- Hejduk, coming off a 50 goal 98 point, 2nd team all-star season
- Tanguay, who had the 2nd highest ppg ratio that season for players playing 50+ games

wow
Roll on paper.

That season, Peter Forsberg played 39 games, Paul Kariya played 51 games and Selanne played mostly on the third line...

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Roll on paper.

and Selanne played mostly on the third line...
And with a bad knee. He was a new human after the lockout and surgery.

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It does set a bit of a de facto individual salary cap limit.

How can Stamkos ask for $10 million when Crosby gets $9?

The PA is a big believer in the "rising tide lifts all boats" theory.
Because Stamkos is 1 of 20 players in the history of the NHL that has scored 60 or more goals in a season.

And he leads in the NHL in goals scored since he's entered the league.

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It does set a bit of a de facto individual salary cap limit.

How can Stamkos ask for $10 million when Crosby gets $9?

The PA is a big believer in the "rising tide lifts all boats" theory.
A lower "cap" on individual salaries with a constant share of HRR in aggregate is better for the majority of players. This is not opinion; this is math.

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