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06-10-2012, 03:57 PM
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Yet.
The mistake is carrying such a puss and talentless roster.
The mistake is every time someone does an impersonation of Habs' GM on the other topic, they build a puss roster.
The mistake was giving Pierre Gauthier the General Manager job.

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06-10-2012, 04:11 PM
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I guess i look at it this way.

If he is willing to sit in press box as he said , take 5 min a night ,play for league minimum there seem little risk .

He has been running marathons ,and took figure skating lesson during his time off(Battle of the Blades) , and claims his back is 100 percent now , so seems like little risk to a coach who wants a tough guy on his bench....Therrien is a guy who carries a tough guy ....

I wouldn't mind going with Staubitz /Laraque combo all year.All games vs Boston for Laraque ...


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06-10-2012, 04:12 PM
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I can't believe people would seriously want Laraque back.

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06-10-2012, 04:14 PM
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I can't believe people would seriously want Laraque back.
at 1,5 mill no...

at leauge minimum ? I take him back on a 1 yr deal ,there is no tougher guy out there.

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06-10-2012, 04:19 PM
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at 1,5 mill no...

at leauge minimum ? I take him back on a 1 yr deal ,there is no tougher guy out there.
There is no more useless guy out there either. Not to mention he's a locker room distraction.

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06-10-2012, 04:24 PM
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There is no more useless guy out there either. Not to mention he's a locker room distraction.
What's your definition of useless?

Because someone who makes Lucic sh** his pants isn't useless at all.

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06-10-2012, 04:25 PM
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Hogwash! Laraques is to blame as he still should have grabbed on to guys to protect his teammates. He was the only tough-guy in hockey who had this bizarre personal code of ethics. Lucic's teammate Shawn Thornton isn't going to worry about the instigator rule or wait for a fax to arrive if someone roughs up one of the Bruins stars.
Sorry but you're dead wrong if that's what you think. Thornton is 215 lbs and he's not a top fighter, while Laraque was 255 lbs and was the undisputed heavyweight in the NHL. If you don't think there's a difference, there's no way of discussing.

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06-10-2012, 04:38 PM
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Sorry but you're dead wrong if that's what you think. Thornton is 215 lbs and he's not a top fighter, while Laraque was 255 lbs and was the undisputed heavyweight in the NHL. If you don't think there's a difference, there's no way of discussing.
Actually, Thornton is a top fighter. With all the Colton Orrs, Steve MacIntyres and Eric Godards in the AHL, Shawn Thornton jumps in 2nd or 3rd if we consider Matt Kassian better.

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He should stick to having fake fights against Liev Schreiber

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He should stick to having fake fights against Liev Schreiber
No. He should stick to fight heavyweights in the NHL for a low-market team.

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06-10-2012, 05:06 PM
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Here's a joke: A carnivorous Laraque I would have taken back, a vegan one, not so much

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06-10-2012, 05:10 PM
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I might or might not like BGL as an individual outside hockey... his overall political leanings and philosophy sometimes seem interesting... but then it seems like he's looking for a spotlight on him sometimes too, I don't know. But anyway, regardless of that I am very sure I don't want him near my hockey team. He seemed like a major headcase and completely useless hockey player with us. I'm sure lots of people would like to play in the NHL, yeah "even" for the league minimum and not dressing every game. But so what. Pass. I wonder what Laraque's next news article will be about?

If there's still an LNAH, that's about where he belongs.

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Why the job of the goon is dying: theory

A lot has been casually stated on this forum about how hockey is changing, and how goons are no longer valuable to teams. People basically argue that the game is more competiitive than it's ever been, and that therefore you don't want players whose role it is to fight and intimidate players on the other team. The best strategy is to allow the referees to give penalty kills if the other team is misbehaving, and to make them pay with your power play. It's never explained why this logic didn't work in the Bob Probert era.

This theory is supported by the evidence that players like Colton Orr are in the AHL. Proponents of this theory sometimes acknowledge that if you can have a talented player who can fight, like Lucic, then you want him.

I have given it some though, and I have concluded that this theory is correct but for the wrong reasons. It's not hockey that's changing, it's officiating. I think what it comes down to is that when talented players engage in goonery, they are extremely unlikely to get even a one-game suspension -- see the Chara hit as an example. However, when less talented players behave in this manner, they get 5 game suspesnions. There was a player on the Coyotes who got 15 games these playoffs. Nobody wants to be suspended for 15 games -- that's like $300,000. Differential officiating likely affects not just suspensions, but penalties as well.

So that's my theory. Goons are genuinely less useful and less effective than they used to be. But that is not because of some ******** increased talent level in the NHL. It is because of differential officiating.

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06-10-2012, 05:23 PM
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No. He should stick to fight heavyweights in the NHL for a low-market team.
Hello George!

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I might or might not like BGL as an individual outside hockey... his overall political leanings and philosophy sometimes seem interesting... but then it seems like he's looking for a spotlight on him sometimes too, I don't know. But anyway, regardless of that I am very sure I don't want him near my hockey team. He seemed like a major headcase and completely useless hockey player with us. I'm sure lots of people would like to play in the NHL, yeah "even" for the league minimum and not dressing every game. But so what. Pass. I wonder what Laraque's next news article will be about?

If there's still an LNAH, that's about where he belongs.
Useless? Since when are 4th line enforcers "useless"?

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Just resign Staubitz, then go pursue a couple of guys like Brandon Prust & Shane O'Brien.

Prust is an everygame fourth, if not third liner & a very good PKer, O'Brien can easily fill the 6th D-man role & Staubitz could easily be a blackace on this team being able to play both wings & D.

That said, isn't Konopka an UFA as well. He is very good in the faceoff circle, as well as the with the knuckles.

The Georges Laracque unistyle type goon is all but gone in this league. Ask Jody Shelley!!!

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Just resign Staubitz, then go pursue a couple of guys like Brandon Prust & Shane O'Brien.

Prust is an everygame fourth, if not third liner & a very good PKer, O'Brien can easily fill the 6th D-man role & Staubitz could easily be a blackace on this team being able to play both wings & D.

That said, isn't Konopka an UFA as well. He is very good in the faceoff circle, as well as the with the knuckles.

The Georges Laracque unistyle type goon is all but gone in this league. Ask Jody Shelley!!!
Keeping Staubitz and signing Prust means no heavyweight on the team. This is why I don't want Staubitz to stay in Montreal. He's not an enforcer, and has the hockey skills of an enforcer.

Signing Konopka and playing him instead of White would be good. If our 4th line could look like this:

Prust - Konopka - Parros

I'd be happy.

Otherwise, sign Carkner, play him on the 4th line if you don't want him on the 3rd pair of D.

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Goons do not exist. Goons are them who don't know how to skate or don't know how to play at all. Goons are playing in the LNAH, sometimes in leagues like the SPHL, ECHL or the new IHL.

The job of enforcing isn't useless until you are a fan of the Canadiens. I don't know why, but the Canadiens fans are pretty much the only ones who whine about enforcers. You would never, never, never see that kind of sissiness on Bruins or Flyers forum. Never.

And our players keep on geating beaten up eh. But nope, we don't need tough guys. They score 3 goals a year! It's so much less than Palushaj's 1 goal, and Blunden's two goals!

What happened with this fan base? Where is the pride in this fanbase? You really want to keep on relying on diving to draw penalty calls as being your "enforcer"? Even worst, the f***ing 911?

Where's the honesty in this process? Where's the pride?

I hope Thornton, Lucic and Chara continue to punk our small players.

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Yes there would be no "heavyweight" but a group of three four or five players willing to engage IMO is much more intimidating??

BTW, could you list me the other "heavyweights" in the league last season???

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If he gets signed for the league minimum, plays about 15 games a year (against Boston, Philly, New York), 7 minutes a night, sign me up. I think people forgot how bad of a hockey player this guy is.

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What's your definition of useless?

Because someone who makes Lucic sh** his pants isn't useless at all.
He didn't do anything effective against Lucic. All he did was make Lucic look like a pansy when he kept running away. Its not like he made Lucic an ineffective player.

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Yes there would be no "heavyweight" but a group of three four or five players willing to engage IMO is much more intimidating??

BTW, could you list me the other "heavyweights" in the league last season???
You need a heavyweight and a bunch of guys who are willing.

Because Prust would get the s**t knocked out of him if he would take on Thornton.

The Bruins model is great. Thornton is the enforcer, Lucic can throw with the heavies, Mcquaid, Boychuk, Ference, Horton, Campbell are that bunch of willing guys.

A list of heavyweights this season in the league:

Shawn Thornton, Milan Lucic, Zdeno Chara (Boston)
Chris Neil, Matt Carkner (Ottawa)
Jay Rosehill, Colton Orr (Toronto)
Cody McCormick (Buffalo) (questionnable choice, not a heavy if you ask me, but some would say he is)

Mike Rupp, John Scott (Rangers)
Steve MacIntyre, Deryk Engelland (Pittsburgh)
Jody Shelley (Philadelphia) -> This season was particulary soft in Philly
Cam Janssen, Eric Boulton (New Jersey)

Krys Barch (Florida)
John Erskine (Washington)
Chris Thorburn (Winnipeg) (questionnable, I think he's not).

Ryan Reaves (St-Louis)
John Scott, Brandon Bollig (Chicago)
Brian McGrattan (Nashville)
Jared Boll (Columbus)

Matt Kassian (Minnesota)
Darcy Hordichuk (Edmonton)
Tim Jackman, Raitis Ivanans, Pierre-Luc Létourneau-Leblond (Calgary) (Jackman is questionnable)

Jim Vandermeer (San Jose) (questionnable)
Kevin Westgarth (Los Angeles)
Paul Bissonnette (Phoenix)
George Parros (Anaheim)

Teams that didn't have a heavyweight:
Tampa Bay (10th)
Carolina (12th)
Islanders (14th)
Montreal (15th)
Vancouver (1st)
Detroit (5th)
Dallas (10th)
Colorado (11th)

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I'll never forget the time when we ended up on a 6 min penalty kill versus the Red Wings because of this guy.

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I'm sorry sir, but someone JUST scooped you on this theory!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin

What a bummer

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Don't call it a comeback,
he's been here for years.
Sendin' faxes and puttin' suckas in fear.

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