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View Poll Results: What is Luongo's Value?
High Value (e.g., Schenn & Kadri / etc.) 57 13.87%
Moderate Value (e.g., Franson & MacArthur / etc.) 211 51.34%
Low Value (e.g., Franson / 2nd rounder / etc.) 99 24.09%
Negative Value (e.g., Komisarek / etc.) 30 7.30%
Highly Negative Value (e.g., Komisarek & Lombardi) 14 3.41%
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06-09-2012, 09:13 AM
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onelineblue shares your opinions but at least you spend the alot more energy explaining yours
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Setting the bar low ?

T-Bay went on a long run just a season ago . While most of the peices of that run were in place when he got there he still picked up a goalie among a few other pieces who gave them the quality tending they needed . This year the team played poorly and he took advantage of a strong sellers market to load up on picks . He goes about his business quietly and effectivly without any BS .

Where was Burke this trade deadline ? He couldn't decide whether he was a buyer or a seller and just sat there doing nothing . He should have traded JML and if the right deal came along Grabo but instead he signed them to long term deals .
Stevey Y has done nothing for TB.

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06-09-2012, 11:52 AM
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I'm of the belief we shouldn't be aiming that high for a goaltender, I'd prefer more of a Josh Harding type that would compete with Reimer.

For those bashing Luongo though remember his florida years he was on a bad team and usually the reason if they did win any games.

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Stevey Y has done nothing for TB.
thank you very much, someone else knows this!

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So you're saying even though Campbell was a valuable player, Chicago gave him away for free because of his contract?
I would say that's a major part of the reason he was traded.

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Stevey's biggest blockbuster trade to date to fix Tampa's blue line...

Mike Commodore.


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06-09-2012, 01:56 PM
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Stevey's biggest blockbuster trade to date to fix Tampa's blue line...

Mike Commodore.

I agree that he doesn't done much. TB's top 5 scorers during that playoff run were from the old regime.

But Eric Brewer has something to say about Mike Commodore being Stevie Y's best move on D.

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06-10-2012, 01:51 PM
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Game over,it's Biron the Leafs want.

Veteran seeking prime playing time.he is a free agent and a perfect fit,no assets needed to surrender.Opps Luongo's value just dropped below zero.

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06-10-2012, 02:01 PM
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Veteran seeking prime playing time.he is a free agent and a perfect fit,no assets needed to surrender.Opps Luongo's value just dropped below zero.
This just speculation or have you heard something?

I don't love the idea of Biron (no upside), but I guess it's not a bad move if we're still committed to Reimer and Scrivens as long-term options. Certainly beats the hell out of spending assets on acquiring Luongo's absurd contract.

Harding is a guy that is intriguing to me, but I imagine he'll want a multi-year deal, probably at fairly significant money. If we could get him on a two-year deal, though, at reasonable value, he does seem like a good option to play now and possibly be the long-term answer--all without having to sacrifice any assets or hand out a monster contract. We'll see.

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Veteran seeking prime playing time.he is a free agent and a perfect fit,no assets needed to surrender.Opps Luongo's value just dropped below zero.
Just FYI on Marty Biron

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#NYR Told there has been "progress" in contract talks btwn Rangers and goaltender Martin Biron. Had good year, works well with Lundqvist

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I'd go for Bobby Luo if it wont cost us anything too substantial. I'd rather have a true number one guy that will get us into the playoffs rather than take gambles and waste career years for our best players

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Veteran seeking prime playing time.he is a free agent and a perfect fit,no assets needed to surrender.Opps Luongo's value just dropped below zero.




He's close to signing with NYR. Stock risen actually.

Not to mention. Luongo = Playoffs, Biron = Stop gap in hopes a younger goalie may be a number 1 eventually.

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Everyone seems to forget that ownership doesn't just want the playoffs like fans do; they need it for this to be a viable business.

Burke can keep tip-toeing around border-line no. 1 goalies as he's done for years, but I think the realization has been made, going forward status quo and taking flyers out on old veterans and hoping young goalies achieve their maximum potential is gambling. As much as Luongo would cost a bit, he's a definitive answer. Anything else you get, that's currently available, is still a question mark. I really hope TO doesn't end up with him from a competition stand-point. FL would be ideal for me.

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He's close to signing with NYR. Stock risen actually.

Not to mention. Luongo = Playoffs, Biron = Stop gap in hopes a younger goalie may be a number 1 eventually.

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Everyone seems to forget that ownership doesn't just want the playoffs like fans do; they need it for this to be a viable business.

Burke can keep tip-toeing around border-line no. 1 goalies as he's done for years, but I think the realization has been made, going forward status quo and taking flyers out on old veterans and hoping young goalies achieve their maximum potential is gambling. As much as Luongo would cost a bit, he's a definitive answer. Anything else you get, that's currently available, is still a question mark. I really hope TO doesn't end up with him from a competition stand-point. FL would be ideal for me.
The leafs are probably the most viable business in the league, one of the most valuable franchises of all time, over any league. Playoffs is still very important to ownership, because every year that the leafs misses the playoffs is another year of millions of potential dollars lost. But Toronto could theoretically never make the playoffs again, and the business it's self would still be in the green.

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lol, Luongo's stock hasn't risen. He's only worth what someone is willing to pay which isn't much. It's either a soft deal or no deal imo.

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The leafs are probably the most viable business in the league, one of the most valuable franchises of all time, over any league. Playoffs is still very important to ownership, because every year that the leafs misses the playoffs is another year of millions of potential dollars lost. But Toronto could theoretically never make the playoffs again, and the business it's self would still be in the green.
Hilarious having all these Canucks fans come on our forums giving their expert opinions on how desperate a position our team is in, what's best for our financial viability and what our players are and aren't capable of. Problem with their analysis is it's all framed through the lens of what best suits the interests of the Canucks.

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Hilarious having all these Canucks fans come on our forums giving their expert opinions on how desperate a position our team is in, what's best for our financial viability and what our players are and aren't capable of. Problem with their analysis is it's all framed through the lens of what best suits the interests of the Canucks.
There is so much wrong with this picture. Vancouver fans refuse to believe having a 33 yearold anchor signed for a decade; might not be a positive thing... They also miss the completely obvious fact that the reason they have identified that they should direct their completely desperate proposals to the Leafs board; is because the Leafs are the ONLY logical team that might inquire seriously about Luongo. That isn't exactly an ideal situation to ask for an overpayment; when the price will be dictated by what the ONLY offer may be.

They are completely delusional. No you will not get the 5th overall pick, Gardiner and Kadri.... I mean.... WTF?!

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I can't wait for the Leafs to acquire any other goalie; just so these idiotic Canuckleheads will realize how screwed they are with their decade long backup anchor. You can always buy him out and pay up for the next 2 decades!

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They are completely delusional. No you will not get the 5th overall pick, Gardiner and Kadri.... I mean.... WTF?!
No use arguing with them now, just wait until the draft and laugh when they get something along the lines of a cap dump + a B-level prospect or depth roster player + a 2nd/3rd.

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Veteran seeking prime playing time.he is a free agent and a perfect fit,no assets needed to surrender.Opps Luongo's value just dropped below zero.
Kristian Huselius is available as well. Oops, Rick Nash's value just dropped below zero.

No assets needed to surrender!

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I can't wait for the Leafs to acquire any other goalie; just so these idiotic Canuckleheads will realize how screwed they are with their decade long backup anchor. You can always buy him out and pay up for the next 2 decades!
Let's be honset, if Burke ***** the bed and can't get Luongo to Toronto it's going to hurt the Leafs a hell of a lot more than it'll hurt the Canucks. Vancouver will be competing for the Stanley cup, regardless of which goaltender they have between the pipes. The leafs on the other hand...

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Hilarious having all these Canucks fans come on our forums giving their expert opinions on how desperate a position our team is in, what's best for our financial viability and what our players are and aren't capable of. Problem with their analysis is it's all framed through the lens of what best suits the interests of the Canucks.
I said I wouldn't want TO to get Luongo. (I think the best interest is trading Schneider.) Way to generalize.

And just because a business is profitable, does not detract that by making one move the business could be exponentially more profitable. I really hope you don't have so much as a hotdog stand.

No one said that the Leafs are desperate, but what position would you call them? Missing the playoffs 8 years in a row, not an abundance available in the FA market. It's not desperate, but there's definitely a need to fill.

Which goalies are going to single handedly put the Leafs in the playoff picture? I'm not asking to prove a point, but who's available?

And for the record, the majority of Canucks fans don't expect Gardiner and the 5th and Schenn. Just one of those pieces and there's only 30% of them dumb enough to expect that.

Personally, if it were to go down, I'd think Franson and a 2nd rounder is about right.

(Now, I exit as I thought this was the FA&TradeRumors section.)

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Poll says moderate value.

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Kristian Huselius is available as well. Oops, Rick Nash's value just dropped below zero.

No assets needed to surrender!



Let's be honset, if Burke ***** the bed and can't get Luongo to Toronto it's going to hurt the Leafs a hell of a lot more than it'll hurt the Canucks. Vancouver will be competing for the Stanley cup, regardless of which goaltender they have between the pipes. The leafs on the other hand...
We can argue all day,but the poll says most Leaf fans say he isn't worth all that much.Canucks will make the playoffs and get kicked out in the first round,ensuring a bad pick as every year the Sedins get older?Oh yay!Canucks must win now or never!Quite frankly I dont mind another top 5 pick and I dont think Luongo is the only answer or for that matter that good of one at 35 soon and in decline.A top 10 goalie?

Lets see: Price,Quick,Schneider,Brodeur,Lundquist,Thomas/Rask,Fleury,Ward(?),Miller,Halak(?),Kiprosoff(?,Hi llier,Howard(?) just off the top of my head would be as good or better for far less.No, Vancouver has the problem and your Nash comparison is pathetic.I was saying Biron would be a fit at no real cost.We need our assets to get a number one center and size,not a Luongoal!

Oh and by the way,you cant re sign Schneider unless you unload Luongoal! lol....


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I said I wouldn't want TO to get Luongo. (I think the best interest is trading Schneider.) Way to generalize.

And just because a business is profitable, does not detract that by making one move the business could be exponentially more profitable. I really hope you don't have so much as a hotdog stand.

No one said that the Leafs are desperate, but what position would you call them? Missing the playoffs 8 years in a row, not an abundance available in the FA market. It's not desperate, but there's definitely a need to fill.

Which goalies are going to single handedly put the Leafs in the playoff picture? I'm not asking to prove a point, but who's available?

And for the record, the majority of Canucks fans don't expect Gardiner and the 5th and Schenn. Just one of those pieces and there's only 30% of them dumb enough to expect that.

Personally, if it were to go down, I'd think Franson and a 2nd rounder is about right.

(Now, I exit as I thought this was the FA&TradeRumors section.)
Franson and a 2nd is less than what I had in mind. So kudos for having a head on your shoulders.

Of course there's a need to fill, but it's not worth gutting a huge part of our future to do it. Especially for a goalie entering the twilight of his career. You may not have said desperate but I've seen it used by a few of your brethren, including hackeybuff.

I'm able to make generalizations though because you're not first Canucks fan to come on here and make all-knowing posts about subjects you're not familiar with. Trying to sell us that MLSE needs playoff revenue is silly, considering Burke has full autonomy over this team and hasn't yet made any rash win-now moves which sacrificed valuable parts of our future. Your fellow fans are doing themselves no favours with their egotistical and condescending behaviour on our forums, and I'm sorry you got lumped in with them, but there's a common thread here.

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Not into my threeway deal?

TOR: Luongo
VAN: JVR and TOR's 2012 2nd
PHI: L. Schenn and Mason Raymond

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Not into my threeway deal?

TOR: Luongo
VAN: JVR and TOR's 2012 2nd
PHI: L. Schenn and Mason Raymond
Vancouver makes out like bandits here. Luongo (poor value) and Raymond (RFA) for JVR and 2nd rounder?

Toronto's not interested in moving Schenn + 2nd for Luongo, I can tell you that.

I doubt Philly's interested in Raymond, too. They're pretty stacked in their top-9 and Raymond doesn't exactly play Flyers-brand hockey.

How about this (leave Luongo out of this, we'll use other assets): Toronto gives up Schenn + 2nd (2012) for JVR + 2nd (2013). Philly unites the Schenn brothers, improves their D which is facing uncertainty because of Pronger's injury, and saves $625,000 annually.

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