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Leafs shopping Schenn for 1st overall?

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06-11-2012, 04:15 PM
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this is about as bad as when Tambellini offered Coglianno for Florida's 3rd or 4th overall pick a few years back
I'm pretty sure it was for the 15th overall pick, bro.

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Why would the Leafs bother with the 1st overall? They don't need a player like Yakupov. They should focus on finding a starting goalie and/or 1st line center.

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if the price for 1st overall is 5th + gardiner + schenn then i would stay put and draft BPA at 5 and still end up with a talented player without giving away our top prospects in gardiner and give schenn chance under a new coaching system im sure he'll have a bounce back season besides hes only 22 and will only get better

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Personally, I don't think 5th overall plus Schenn would be such bad value or a bad deal for the Oil.

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06-11-2012, 04:18 PM
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Gardiner with the TOR 5th for the 1st almost certainly guarantees EDM bags UFA-to-be Justin Schultz for the blueline as well.
see and thats why the leafs won't do that. They are also going to make a push for Schultz and having Gardiner already on the team makes their pitch a much stronger one then it would be otherwise

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Schenn, Colbourne + 5th overall for the 1st overall. Easy.
Two struggling prospects,one badly overpaid and the other not good enough to stick in the nhl,is supposed to be enough to trade down 4 spots?

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5th, Gardiner and Schenn for 1st
Imagine if (big IF) Murray falls to 5th then for Edmonton and they sign Schultz via free agency.

Gardiner, Schenn, Murray, Schultz in a one week span. Then they still have Klefbom and Petry. Unreal.

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this is about as bad as when Tambellini offered Coglianno for Florida's 3rd or 4th overall pick a few years back
It was the 15th Overall, but point taken.

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Don't know why Oilers's fans are so hesitant to deal the 1st overall. It's not like they probably wont have a good shot at it again next year.

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06-11-2012, 04:23 PM
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Two struggling prosects,one badly overpaid and the other not good enough to stick in the nhl,is supposed to be enough to trade down 4 spots?
The four-spot swap, if you look at past value, is probably that of a high second round pick--taking into account the "premium" that goes with a first overall player, maybe it is a late 1st.

Whatever his struggles, Schenn is certainly worth that much. The value of Schenn + 5th should be sufficient to go to #1.

I think Edmonton would be wise to consider that--at 5, they will still get one of Murray, Galchenyuk, Grigorenko, or Forsberg.

I don't think Toronto should do this, simply because Yakupov isn't a center, and they are almost certain to get one of Galchenyuk, Grigorenko, or Forsberg at 5 (I believe Columbus takes Murray at 2).

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06-11-2012, 04:23 PM
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I would think

Schenn/5th overall (maybe another 3rd?)
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1st over all

For those saying it is lopsided. Here is that last 10 #1 and #5 picks.

2002
1st. Nash #5 R. Whitney

2003
1st MAF #5 Vanek

2004
#1 AO. #5 Wheeler

2005
#1 Crosby #5 Price

2006
#1 Johnson #5 Kessel

2007
#1 Kane #5 Alzner

2008

#1Stamkos #5 Schenn

2009

#1 Tavares #5 Schenn

2010

#1 Hall #5 Niederreiter

2011

#1 RNH #5 Strome

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Isn't it funny how Yakupov was the greatest thing since sliced bread until the Oilers won the draft lottery? Now other fans don't want him because "he doesn't fit our needs!".

He's not the Oilers most pressing need either but they're going to draft him and not look back.

The 1st overall is off the table unless it's for a massive overpayment and dangling Schenn + 5th wouldn't entice anyone.

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Don't know why Oilers's fans are so hesitant to deal the 1st overall. It's not like they probably wont have a good shot at it again next year.
Hahaha that's so funny! And so fresh! Obviously you have a wit as sharp as your namesake and room to talk as a Leafs fan.

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Don't know why Oilers's fans are so hesitant to deal the 1st overall. It's not like they probably wont have a good shot at it again next year.
Ayoooo

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I wouldn't trade the first overall alone for the fifth overall and Gardiner
Good. Keep it.

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I read Eilliote's bit and all it really says is they might offer Schenn and their pick for the Oilers pick.

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The four-spot swap, if you look at past value, is probably that of a high second round pick--taking into account the "premium" that goes with a first overall player, maybe it is a late 1st.

Whatever his struggles, Schenn is certainly worth that much. The value of Schenn + 5th should be sufficient to go to #1.

I think Edmonton would be wise to consider that--at 5, they will still get one of Murray, Galchenyuk, Grigorenko, or Forsberg.

I don't think Toronto should do this, simply because Yakupov isn't a center, and they are almost certain to get one of Galchenyuk, Grigorenko, or Forsberg at 5 (I believe Columbus takes Murray at 2).
There are plenty of reports from credible sources,that Edmonton is very high on Murray.
Snow,with payroll restrictions and trouble signing ufas,would be all over the nhl ready Murray, at #4.

So,Edmonton passes up the chance to land Nail or Murray,so they can acquire a struggling Schenn+ lower pick?C'mon.You can't really thing that's an attractive trade for Edmonton

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06-11-2012, 04:37 PM
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As an oiler fan I see value in Schenn, but not for that kind of deal. Toronto would have to add.

5th
Schenn
Gunnarson
Kadri/Colborne/Frattin

for

1st
Potter
Eager

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There are plenty of reports from credible sources,that Edmonton is very high on Murray.
Snow,with payroll restrictions and trouble signing ufas,would be all over the nhl ready Murray, at #4.

So,Edmonton passes up the chance to land Nail or Murray,so they can acquire a struggling Schenn+ lower pick?C'mon.You can't really thing that's an attractive trade for Edmonton
Edmonton is very high on Schenn, so um, ya. Plus it's not like Tambellini is a very smart GM.

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As an oiler fan I see value in Schenn, but not for that kind of deal. Toronto would have to add.

5th
Schenn
Gunnarson
Kadri/Colborne/Frattin

for

1st
Potter
Eager
In other words, you do not see value in Schenn.

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Don't know why Oilers's fans are so hesitant to deal the 1st overall. It's not like they probably wont have a good shot at it again next year.
My thoughts exactly! LOL

Edmonton we all know has an AHL caliber defence at best.

Well all of us know except for Edmonton fans.

They have all this talent up front yet they still want Yakupov?!

I get the whole draft the best player available and all but it hasn't done jack for them in 3 years.

Time to fill out needs.

Either draft Murray who let's face it is all but a guarantee at playing in the NHL in a couple years.

Or trade the 1st overall and get a defenseman plus a top six pick and use that to draft one of Trouba or Dumba.

If I was an Edmonton fan (and thank God I'm not, being that bad that long would be depressing) I would hope the Oilers shop their 1st overall to the bottom 7 teams in this years draft and ask for their pick (picks 2 to 7 OA) + a roster defenseman or their best defensive prospect.

That way in one off season I address the gaping hole at defense and with probably a lottery pick next year anyways, you go after a McKinnon or Barkov who let's face it are much better prospects then this years draftees.

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I have to laugh at these suggestions that the Leafs would have to massively overpay to get the oiler's 1st. If there was any year where moving down the draft and getting a good prospect (especially a defenseman) it's this year.

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this is about as bad as when Tambellini offered Coglianno for Florida's top ten pick
Uhhhh no. They asked for 15th overall, not 3rd...

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if you think Schenn is a 3rd paring D you don't watch him enough. Should he be enough to get the #1 pick/ absolutely not but he'd be in your top 4 without question
In what capacity? He has room to grow, so I'm not ragging on him intentionally here, but he isn't better than Schultz and isn't close to Smid. 3 shutdown d-men in the top 4 is bad news bears.

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Schenn + 5th for 1st seems like good value to me...

Galchenyuk + Schenn seems about equal to Yakupov. I dont know why people are demanding serious overpayment.

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