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Leafs shopping Schenn for 1st overall?

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06-11-2012, 05:14 PM
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There would have to be a ton of +++++ added to Schenn in order to score the 1st overall
Exactly! Defensive defensemen simply do not have that type of trade value.

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06-11-2012, 05:16 PM
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My thoughts exactly! LOL

Edmonton we all know has an AHL caliber defence at best.

Well all of us know except for Edmonton fans.

They have all this talent up front yet they still want Yakupov?!

I get the whole draft the best player available and all but it hasn't done jack for them in 3 years.

Time to fill out needs.

Either draft Murray who let's face it is all but a guarantee at playing in the NHL in a couple years.

Or trade the 1st overall and get a defenseman plus a top six pick and use that to draft one of Trouba or Dumba.

If I was an Edmonton fan (and thank God I'm not, being that bad that long would be depressing) I would hope the Oilers shop their 1st overall to the bottom 7 teams in this years draft and ask for their pick (picks 2 to 7 OA) + a roster defenseman or their best defensive prospect.

That way in one off season I address the gaping hole at defense and with probably a lottery pick next year anyways, you go after a McKinnon or Barkov who let's face it are much better prospects then this years draftees.
If you were an Edmonton fan and they didn't draft Yakupov, you'd be pissed. Murray's upside isn't as good as Yakupov's upside. And the bolded isn't completely true. MacKinnon and Barkov are not significantly better than Yak/Gally/Grigs.

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Lots of crow eating if it does happen. Makes sense for the Oilers, bulk up their D, puts them in a position to draft Murray as well. At the cost of giving up Yakupov? I'd say that's a solid deal and I wouldn't be convinced otherwise.

And to be frank, none of you know the value of the 1st overall.

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06-11-2012, 05:17 PM
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I wonder if you might provide a precedent for that kind of return? You know, a case in the past where a 1st overall has returned a top-5 pick plus two young NHL defenseman, both of which have top-4 upside (in different roles).
Careful. You'll make them have to enter the real world.....

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I think the Oilers should take it... Schenn + 5th overall + Leafs 2nd rounder in 2013 perhaps.

Schenn is a tank and I feel needs a change of scenery... Oil than could also perhaps grab Dumba at 5 and right away have 2 solid pieces for a defensive core going forward.

If Oilers are ever looking to make the playoffs and compete they need to get some sort of respectable defensive core established.

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Wouldn't Edmonton be looking to trade Hemsky and Ganger for defensive help? Obviously the first overall would get you a better player, but these two, Hemsky anyways, could still bring in a solid dman.

EDIT: I guess Gagner is an RFA, so nevermind that.

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06-11-2012, 05:23 PM
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I think the Oilers should take it... Schenn + 5th overall + Leafs 2nd rounder in 2013 perhaps.

Schenn is a tank and I feel needs a change of scenery... Oil than could also perhaps grab Dumba at 5 and right away have 2 solid pieces for a defensive core going forward.

If Oilers are ever looking to make the playoffs and compete they need to get some sort of respectable defensive core established.
or take the guy that reasonably projects to score 70 points, with 50G top end possibility.

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06-11-2012, 05:26 PM
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Here's some real world examples in the not too distant past where teams traded down from first as what they wanted was there later on and the actual, real world returns:

Traded 1st overall and 73rd overall for 3rd overall and 55th overall and Mikael Samuelsson.

Traded 1st overall for 3rd overall + option to swap picks of 2003 1st rounders.

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Good luck Oilers fans....your soon going to be told that Schenn is worth more than jesus and Gardiner is untouchable....god speed oiler fans
You got that much right.

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06-11-2012, 05:27 PM
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or take the guy that reasonably projects to score 70 points, with 50G top end possibility.
Seems lofty for "reasonably".

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Good luck Oilers fans....your soon going to be told that Schenn is worth more than jesus and Gardiner is untouchable....god speed oiler fans
Well its not the Oilers shopping the first. Its the Leafs that are interested and Friedman said they might offer Schenn+5th for it.

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Don't know why Oilers's fans are so hesitant to deal the 1st overall. It's not like they probably wont have a good shot at it again next year.
Oh great post. I'm guessing by your start date that you've had an account on here before that didnt work out so well.

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I wonder if you might provide a precedent for that kind of return? You know, a case in the past where a 1st overall has returned a top-5 pick plus two young NHL defenseman, both of which have top-4 upside (in different roles).
I just need what Tambellini and Lowe have both repeated numerous times. "It will take an offer that blows our socks off". Schenn +5th definitely doesnt do that when the Oilers already have Smid, Schultz, and Sutton as those "shutdown" guys. He doesnt have the puckmoving skills of Petry, Whitney, Potter or Marincin.
Even Gardiner +5th overall(is fair value IMO) I don't see exciting the Oilers management that much.
The Oilers will be drafting Nail Yakupov with the 1st overall selection

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Luke Schenn + 5th for 1st.

Ha!

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or take the guy that reasonably projects to score 70 points, with 50G top end possibility.
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Seems lofty for "reasonably".
Hardly "lofty" to project 70 points for Yakupov. 100 points would be "lofty"

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LOL!!


Throw in Gardiner and MAYBE tambo doesnt hang up the phone
Gardiner + Schenn + 5th overall for 1st overall?


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Hardly "lofty" to project 70 points for Yakupov. 100 points would be "lofty"
50 goals is pretty damn lofty.

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Schenn and 5th sounds like good value for 1st overall.
I would agree, Schenn just need a change of scenery, I still believe he's a very good shut down D and his contract is not all that bad. TO's 1st and Schenn should do the job, I cannot see TO or EDM agreeing on any other player or package.

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50 goals is pretty damn lofty.
If you read the sentence as it was structured, it said that the 70pts was the reasonable projection and the 50 goals was max potential.

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Hardly "lofty" to project 70 points for Yakupov. 100 points would be "lofty"
50 goals?

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Here's some real world examples in the not too distant past where teams traded down from first as what they wanted was there later on and the actual, real world returns:

Traded 1st overall and 73rd overall for 3rd overall and 55th overall and Mikael Samuelsson.

Traded 1st overall for 3rd overall + option to swap picks of 2003 1st rounders.
how did that work out for the team that traded 1st overall?

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If you read the sentence as it was structured, it said that the 70pts was the reasonable projection and the 50 goals was max potential.
That's not lofty to you?

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That's not lofty to you?
70 points for the 1st overall pick? No, not at all actually.

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how did that work out for the team that traded 1st overall?
As well as it worked out for the others.

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70 points for the 1st overall pick? No, not at all actually.
Get back to me when he nets 50 then.

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Get back to me when he nets 50 then.
You are confused. I am saying it is reasonable to expect 70 pts (30-40/35-35) from Yakupov on a regular basis.

Nowhere did I say anything about a reasonable or expected 50 goals.

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Get back to me when he nets 50 then.
"top end possibility"

What is so hard to understand?

Nobody ever said 50g potential was reasonable. He said 50g could be his ceiling. People need to read better before getting on everyone's case

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