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Leafs shopping Schenn for 1st overall?

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06-11-2012, 05:42 PM
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A lofty expectation is thinking that Schenn and 5th overall would be enough for the Oilers to give up the 1st overall. It's also reasonable to say that Luke Schenn is probably in the top 10 for give aways in the past 3 years.....something the Oilers really don't need.
We don't want Kadri either(we already got rid of Schremp)

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Nope. Schenn isn't enough to move all the way up to the 1st overall. Something more significant/enticing must be added for the Oilers to even consider it.

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Good luck Oilers fans....your soon going to be told that Schenn is worth more than jesus and Gardiner is untouchable....god speed oiler fans
Yeah and Luongo is worth 5 first round pick. Don't know if you are rude or just a Leaf hater but your statement contributed nothing to this discussion but pointing out your own limitations.

Yes not all Leaf fans are grounded in reality but this can be said of every fan base, we just happen to be the biggest.

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You are confused. I am saying it is reasonable to expect 70 pts (30-40/35-35) from Yakupov on a regular basis.

Nowhere did I say anything about a reasonable or expected 50 goals.
I'm not confused at all. I never questioned 70 points, I questioned 50 goals. People here are saying the Oilers MIGHT listen to Schenn + Gardiner + 5th for 1st and then suggesting the 1st has the potential for 50 goals.

Sound a little absurd to you?

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Biggs, Gardiner and 5th overall for 1st overall pick

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A lofty expectation is thinking that Schenn and 5th overall would be enough for the Oilers to give up the 1st overall. It's also reasonable to say that Luke Schenn is probably in the top 10 for give aways in the past 3 years.....something the Oilers really don't need.
We don't want Kadri either(we already got rid of Schremp)
And other side of the coin:

Schenn could find his game with a fresh sheet (because of the new coach) - Is not out of the question at all.

Yakupov could be another top pick that gets overshadowed by the rest of the cast in the draft.

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A lofty expectation is thinking that Schenn and 5th overall would be enough for the Oilers to give up the 1st overall. It's also reasonable to say that Luke Schenn is probably in the top 10 for give aways in the past 3 years.....something the Oilers really don't need.
We don't want Kadri either(we already got rid of Schremp)
History says it's far more reasonable than 50 goals.

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06-11-2012, 05:49 PM
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Two Leafs' coaches saw Mike Komisarek as a better option than Schenn, and he's enough to get them the first pick?

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06-11-2012, 05:50 PM
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Wouldn't be an off season without a thread on how the Leafs were going to acquire that 1st overall pick.

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"top end possibility"

What is so hard to understand?

Nobody ever said 50g potential was reasonable. He said 50g could be his ceiling. People need to read better before getting on everyone's case
I read it just fine and suggesting it with any knowledge of NHL history is EXTREMELY lofty.

If I said Kessel has top end 60 goal potential, what would your response be?

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Big time overpayment by the Leafs

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History says it's far more reasonable than 50 goals.
Nobody has said 50 goals was a reasonable expectation.

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if you think Schenn is a 3rd paring D you don't watch him enough. Should he be enough to get the #1 pick/ absolutely not but he'd be in your top 4 without question
He played like one last season

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5th, Gardiner and Schenn for 1st
ooooooooooo......that would be tempting!

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Wouldn't be an off season without a thread on how the Leafs were going to acquire that 1st overall pick.
Same can be said about people crapping on our players or including all of our decent prospects in a proposal and saying "that might not even get it done" after it.

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06-11-2012, 05:53 PM
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I'm not confused at all. I never questioned 70 points, I questioned 50 goals. People here are saying the Oilers MIGHT listen to Schenn + Gardiner + 5th for 1st and then suggesting the 1st has the potential for 50 goals.

Sound a little absurd to you?
You read it wrong. Admit it and move on. It amazes me how stubborn people can be sometimes.

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if you think Schenn is a 3rd paring D you don't watch him enough. Should he be enough to get the #1 pick/ absolutely not but he'd be in your top 4 without question
Schenn was worse than a 3rd pairing defenceman last year. He was seventh in ATOI for Leafs' defenceman with only 16:02 per game.

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Nobody has said 50 goals was a reasonable expectation.
So your contention is I should trade based on what you yourself deem a completely unreasonable expectation?

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Make it Gardiner and a 5th and maybe the Oilers think about it....

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You read it wrong. Admit it and move on. It amazes me how stubborn people can be sometimes.


I'll come out and say it - I don't think 50 goals is an unreasonable expectation for Yakupov either. Unlikely yes. I will say the same thing for Kessel as well if he were to ever get a true #1 centre

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06-11-2012, 05:56 PM
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Schenn was terrible for the Leafs this year, he was pretty bad in the world championships where he also got benched, the guy has regressed big time this year, Edmonton would be nuts to consider him as a main package in a trade for the 1st. It will have to be Gardiner or bust.

With that logic it means that the Habs would be able to trade their first alongside Emelin (who was a very solid dmen) and easily get Yakupov.

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5th, Gardiner and Schenn for 1st
Done

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You read it wrong. Admit it and move on. It amazes me how stubborn people can be sometimes.
No, no I didn't. People on here believe a guy who has never played in the NHL may get 50 goals and even though they admit it isn't reasonable, feel his trade value should be based on that, despite the fact decades of hockey show how few people ever achieve that mark and several examples show what has ACTUALLY changed hands in deals for 1st overall. You guys can live in imaginary world.....I'll wait over here in real world should anyone want to visit.

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I am betting the price is 5th overall, Gardiner and 2012 2nd rounder. An over payment yes but in Tambo own words "you need to knock my socks off"

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Hey Oilers fans, this isn't a "get out of the basement free" card. It's moving up 4 spots.

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