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View Poll Results: Would you be willing to guarantee Schultz an NHL spot to get him to sign?
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06-11-2012, 10:54 AM
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The best thing in all of this was how passive agressive Getzlaf sounded about this in his interview. I always wondered how players felt about stuff like this, I would be really pissed too.

Really curious why Schultz didn't want to play in what SHOULD be an up and coming team in the Ducks. Maybe Boudreau?
The Ducks are not a bad organization. So the only reasons that make sense are, wants to go to a Canadian team, home or play with friend/s.
Hence my pick of teams that will get him: Leafs, Rangers, Canucks.

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In CBC's 30 thoughts thing, Elliotte Friedman has some news.

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15. At an Anaheim Ducks fan event last weekend, GM Bob Murray revealed two important bits of information. First, Justin Schultz informed the team he will test free agency, as expected. Second, Murray will meet with Teemu Selanne this week, but added the future Hall of Famer's plans may not be finalized.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opin...-penguins.html

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Voted no. Nobody gets guaranteed an NHL spot. Giving someone one of only 6 spots solely because they're willing to screw the team that drafted them is not a sound strategy. If he can't play better than Bickell, Eminger, Erixon, and whoever else ends up in the running for the bottom pairing, he doesn't deserve the time.

McD didn't jump right into the NHL and he's been a revelation. Being a good college player doesn't equate to being a good NHL player right away, especially on D. If he signs here and needs AHL time, he should get it just like everyone else. It's a bad idea to start making exceptions for players who have proven absolutely nothing.

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I wouldn't like it, and I doubt it comes down to that, but for the sake of discussion I think I would give him the guarantee if it ensures signing him. Right now Girardi, Staal, McD and MDZ have roster spots locked up. Leaving 2 starting spots and a 7th spot. I think that Schultz falls in as the 5-6 guy anyway, so really it's his spot to lose.

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I think that Schultz falls in as the 5-6 guy anyway, so really it's his spot to lose.
How exactly is that? How is it his spot to loose? I have my doubts that Erixon is going to be ready, but Schultz is? There are VERY few prospects that have made the jump from college straight to the NHL. Saying it is his spot to loose, presumes that he can come in and play at a minimum to the level that Stralman has played to. That is VERY hard for a rookie.

Not to mention the fact that you left out Sauer, who may or may not be ready. If he is, that means only one spot open. Schultz would have to leapfrog Stralman, Eminger or Erixon. For the purposes of this discussion, let's suppose that Erixon opens in the minors. I cannot see a rookie play to Stralman's level. ANd I am not a huge Stralman fan. But there is NO indication that he is capable of such an action. And to simply guarantee him a spot is sheer folly. Staal, MCD & MDZ were not guaranteed spots, but Schultz should be?

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Where did this idea of guaranteeing a spot even come from? I haven't seen it reported anywhere that we would do that or that anyone else would. Even if management (for any team) WERE to make such a "guarantee", the player would then have to live up to his end of the bargain by not stinking up the joint - 'cause any coach is going to bench him, if he does.

Honestly, the best that any team can do is point to the opportunity - and we've got the competition beat in that regard. If he's looking at the best spot to start his career, he'll come here (SC challenger with a clear need for a) a RH dman and b) an offensively gifted dman). If he's concerned about other factors, such as playing with his favorite team growing up, playing with the greatest exposure, playing with a friend or playing close to home, then we likely lose him. That's what it comes down to.

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Where did this idea of guaranteeing a spot even come from? I haven't seen it reported anywhere that we would do that or that anyone else would. Even if management (for any team) WERE to make such a "guarantee", the player would then have to live up to his end of the bargain by not stinking up the joint - 'cause any coach is going to bench him, if he does.

Honestly, the best that any team can do is point to the opportunity - and we've got the competition beat in that regard. If he's looking at the best spot to start his career, he'll come here (SC challenger with a clear need for a) a RH dman and b) an offensively gifted dman). If he's concerned about other factors, such as playing with his favorite team growing up, playing with the greatest exposure, playing with a friend or playing close to home, then we likely lose him. That's what it comes down to.
From the guy who started the new Schultz thread.

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The Rangers don't guarantee spots. They tell the players they believe he is ready for pro hockey. The opportunity is there. Go get it. Torts doesn't like playing defensemen on their other side. His TB team had Boyle,Kubina and Sarich on the right side. Sydor,Cullimore and Lukowich on the left side. Even with the Rangers they have played mostly 3 lefties and 3 righties. Sometimes they played with 2 lefties and 4 righties and the other way around. Schultz will get his opportunity to play major minutes if he comes here.

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No one is guaranteeing him anything other than competing for an open spot in camp.

The rest is up to him and the guys he's competing with/against.

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Where did this idea of guaranteeing a spot even come from? I haven't seen it reported anywhere that we would do that or that anyone else would. Even if management (for any team) WERE to make such a "guarantee", the player would then have to live up to his end of the bargain by not stinking up the joint - 'cause any coach is going to bench him, if he does.

Honestly, the best that any team can do is point to the opportunity - and we've got the competition beat in that regard. If he's looking at the best spot to start his career, he'll come here (SC challenger with a clear need for a) a RH dman and b) an offensively gifted dman). If he's concerned about other factors, such as playing with his favorite team growing up, playing with the greatest exposure, playing with a friend or playing close to home, then we likely lose him. That's what it comes down to.
It has also been a rumored demand of players in his position in the past including Blake Wheeler when he held out from Phoenix.

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for what it's worth, the ducks are getting royally screwed here. there should at least be some sort of compensation pick for losing a draft pick like this. harsh.

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for what it's worth, the ducks are getting royally screwed here. there should at least be some sort of compensation pick for losing a draft pick like this. harsh.
Well he is a 2nd round pick.

The pro contract rules are in some respects hurting NCAA recruitment.

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for what it's worth, the ducks are getting royally screwed here. there should at least be some sort of compensation pick for losing a draft pick like this. harsh.
Unfortunately for the ducks, Schultz was a 2nd round pick. If he had been selected in the 1st round, the ducks would get a 2nd round pick as compensation.

We got a 2nd rounder when Cherepanov passed away. Calgary would have gotten a 2nd for Erixon if he had gone back into the draft.

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Unfortunately for the ducks, Schultz was a 2nd round pick. If he had been selected in the 1st round, the ducks would get a 2nd round pick as compensation.

We got a 2nd rounder when Cherepanov passed away. Calgary would have gotten a 2nd for Erixon if he had gone back into the draft.
Maybe the rule should be changed. If a 1st round pick who goes unsigned gets you a compensatory 2nd, then a 2nd should get you a 4th and a 3rd a 6th...or something like that. It's one thing when a pick busts...but to have him walk for nothing does seem unfair.

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Sure tell him he is guaranteed for a spot on the Rangers so he signs.

Then if he plays bad at camp tell him tough luck your starting in the minors.

Everyone wins!

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Guaranteeing a rookie anything is stupid. Just plain stupid. Would you have been happy to guarantee Erixon a spot last year? That would've turned out badly. I can't believe 44 people already voted yes on this.

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Well he is a 2nd round pick.

The pro contract rules are in some respects hurting NCAA recruitment.
everytime a player leaves school to become a ufas from mike van ryn to mike comrie to blake wheeler to justin schultz people say why would anyone pick a player from ncaa if they can just lose them. but then nothing changes cause everyone knows that these are the exceptions

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everytime a player leaves school to become a ufas from mike van ryn to mike comrie to blake wheeler to justin schultz people say why would anyone pick a player from ncaa if they can just lose them. but then nothing changes cause everyone knows that these are the exceptions
Mike Comrie? Are you sure on that one? He only played 2 years of college.

In the previous CBA, you didn't become a UFA until the year after your senior year. That at least provided some incentive to sign. Though Umberger still went UFA after he sat out the 2003-04 season.

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Really salivating at the thought of adding him to the corps. I think it's too good to be true. Why would he choose to join the Rangers when he can be gifted minutes from the start with the Oilers, Canucks or Leafs?

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Really salivating at the thought of adding him to the corps. I think it's too good to be true. Why would he choose to join the Rangers when he can be gifted minutes from the start with the Oilers, Canucks or Leafs?
Leafs and Oilers are not going anywhere. Vancouver played an entire 5 games this post season. Also, it looks like they don't like young players over there. Who knows. Plus, if you're a rookie D...which goalie do you want covering your mistakes. Certainly not Khabibulin, Dubnyk, Reimer, Gustafsson. And who knows what happens with Vancouver's goaltending this summer? Does he want easy minutes and to miss the playoffs, or does he want to earn his minutes on a contending team?

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Really salivating at the thought of adding him to the corps. I think it's too good to be true. Why would he choose to join the Rangers when he can be gifted minutes from the start with the Oilers, Canucks or Leafs?
Don't get them riled up...

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Guarantee is a strong word, so I said no. I would give him the benefit of the doubt in training camp if he makes a few mistakes, but that's about it. If he ****s up in the regular season and needs some time in the AHL, I would send him down.

I don't care how good people think he is. There are no guarantees I would ever give to a rookie.

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The Rangers don't guarantee spots. They tell the players they believe he is ready for pro hockey. The opportunity is there. Go get it. Torts doesn't like playing defensemen on their other side. His TB team had Boyle,Kubina and Sarich on the right side. Sydor,Cullimore and Lukowich on the left side. Even with the Rangers they have played mostly 3 lefties and 3 righties. Sometimes they played with 2 lefties and 4 righties and the other way around. Schultz will get his opportunity to play major minutes if he comes here.
So, are you thinking that at some point next season we could see:

Staal-Girardi
McDonagh-Shultz
Del Zotto-Stralman

And Erixon as a 7th Dman?

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Leafs and Oilers are not going anywhere. Vancouver played an entire 5 games this post season. Also, it looks like they don't like young players over there. Who knows. Plus, if you're a rookie D...which goalie do you want covering your mistakes. Certainly not Khabibulin, Dubnyk, Reimer, Gustafsson. And who knows what happens with Vancouver's goaltending this summer? Does he want easy minutes and to miss the playoffs, or does he want to earn his minutes on a contending team?
I don't know about you, but if I'm stepping into the league I want a team where I know that if I make mistakes, I wouldn't be crucified and that I'll have an oppurtunity to fit in with a younger core. It's laughable when people suggest the Oilers are going nowhere. They have 3 first overall forwards and 2 former all star forwards. Team is still very, very young. If I was Schultz, I would pick Edmonton followed by New York and then Vancouver/Toronto.

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Mike Comrie? Are you sure on that one? He only played 2 years of college.

In the previous CBA, you didn't become a UFA until the year after your senior year. That at least provided some incentive to sign. Though Umberger still went UFA after he sat out the 2003-04 season.
comrie left michigan after 2 years to play juniors for the kootenay ice and due to the same loophole that made van ryn a ufa, he would have been a ufa if not signed at the end of the year...oilers avoided it by signing him to a 3yr, $10 mil contract mid-season

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