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06-11-2012, 07:30 PM
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The thing that I think sort of gets mixed up here is that people look at what Staal can get on the opened market and then say, "Well that's what Shero has to pay to keep him." I say false. As a player, you get opened market money when you hit the opened market. That's not as desirable a position for Staal right now as would be signing a brand new deal going into next season. That's ideal. Getting paid opened market money a year early is Staal having his cake and eating it too. If he wants that sort of money, he's going to have to play this season without a contract for next year. That's a huge risk on his part, especially considering Shero would probably be real quick to sign him to a deal in the 5-5.5 range, which as I said before, is a very good, competitive salary for what he brings, and players he is routinely compared to makes about the same.

Staal also doesn't have leverage here. He's not a top 6 center here where we have to sign him or we're doomed. He's a luxury so Shero doesn't have to succumb to his offers. What he can do is trade Staal where ever he sees fit if Jordan doesn't want to sign, and again, that's not even slightly desirable for Staal. He'd rather be here, he has said as much, which is why I think he will take a market deal a year before being a free agent v. riding this year out and getting 6+ million (if he gets that due to the cap tanking).
Shero can't trade him to places he doesn't want to sign because teams aren't going to give us nearly as much for Staal if they don't have the chance to talk to him about signing before making the trade. I think 5.5ish is as low as he goes. I figure 5.5-6 if he signs here. I don't see him going below that. I don't see us going above that.

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06-11-2012, 07:59 PM
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Shero can't trade him to places he doesn't want to sign because teams aren't going to give us nearly as much for Staal if they don't have the chance to talk to him about signing before making the trade. I think 5.5ish is as low as he goes. I figure 5.5-6 if he signs here. I don't see him going below that. I don't see us going above that.
Even at that price, he really has to switch to the wing position, and be given better PP time. Otherwise the best wingers Crosby/Malkin will get is going to be Kunitz and Neal.

Kinda of makes you wonder how he would have turned out had Talbot been able to hold down the 3rd C job years ago, and if that meant that Staal would have stayed on the wing instead of slotting behind Crosby and Malkin.

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Am i the only one that thinks these deals to the maple leafs and hurricanes is very generous for us?
To toronto:
Staal
Martin
for
Kulemin
schenn
Kadri
5th overall
We get great size in kulemin and schenn, skill in kadri, and the chance of getting grigenko. Also, dump martin's salary.
Or another deal i'd be tickled to death is
To carolina:
Staal
3rd round pick
for
sutter
mcbain
8th overall

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06-11-2012, 08:21 PM
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I'd say 5.5 mil is a good number for both parties. It's doable until Letang needs his raise. After that, it'll get tricky especially if we want some more talent on the wing.

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06-11-2012, 08:35 PM
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I'd say 5.5 mil is a good number for both parties. It's doable until Letang needs his raise. After that, it'll get tricky especially if we want some more talent on the wing.
that's two years away where the cap will most likely keep going up.

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06-11-2012, 08:51 PM
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that's two years away where the cap will most likely keep going up.
I doubt the cap stays at 70 mil. But we'll see.

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I doubt the cap stays at 70 mil. But we'll see.
When Letang is up for his contract I would be surprised if it isn't higher unless the league starts going back downhill as far as revenue goes.

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So Minny will be throwing the kitchen sink at Zach.


Honestly, I'm intrigued by where he goes, even if it's not here. You have NJ, Minnesota, Detroit, maybe the Rangers and even us that could be players. Should be crazy come July 1.
could make HFboards Penguins crush object Devin Charlie Kenichi Setoguchi expendable for Martin + something!

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When Letang is up for his contract I would be surprised if it isn't higher unless the league starts going back downhill as far as revenue goes.
If the league allows us to give Sid/Geno a legit linemate each, retain Staal and Letang, then great. But that's too good to be true IMO.

That's besides the point with Staal. I see him leaving b/c of role. Shero would pay him enough to retain him at least in the short term. Whether it be a short term deal or trading him after signing something longterm.

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06-11-2012, 09:17 PM
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Who's some of the better wingers and defensmen that you can see the penguins taking a chance on this offseason?

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06-11-2012, 09:20 PM
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I doubt the cap stays at 70 mil. But we'll see.
The cap will stay @ 70 mil pre rollback........right now the players make 57% and by the time the CBA is signed it will be closer to 50 or 51%. Means everyone's salary in the NHL will get rolled back by that %.

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Who's some of the better wingers and defensmen that you can see the penguins taking a chance on this offseason?
If we knew that, we would be working for TSN

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06-11-2012, 09:33 PM
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If we knew that, we would be working for TSN

I know but i want your opinions. Imo, shero might go after parise, ray whitney, or bryan allen.

Btw, i've never seen tsn get something right. They be like so and so will definitly sign here and they end up signing some where else.

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06-11-2012, 10:49 PM
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The cap will stay @ 70 mil pre rollback........right now the players make 57% and by the time the CBA is signed it will be closer to 50 or 51%. Means everyone's salary in the NHL will get rolled back by that %.
I think you're dreaming if the PA will allow salaries to role back. They will likely have to concede the % going down to 50-53. But if the NHL insists on players taking an individual role back (like the last time), then we're not going to have hockey in Oct.

The PA didn't bring Fehr in for nothing. I'm fairly certain they'll grudgingly drop the %. But this is the guy that is very tough to deal with... and there's no way they'll accept the players taking an individual hit.

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Am i the only one that thinks these deals to the maple leafs and hurricanes is very generous for us?
To toronto:
Staal
Martin
for
Kulemin
schenn
Kadri
5th overall
We get great size in kulemin and schenn, skill in kadri, and the chance of getting grigenko. Also, dump martin's salary.
Or another deal i'd be tickled to death is
To carolina:
Staal
3rd round pick
for
sutter
mcbain
8th overall
The Toronto one is alright but still not worth it. Kulimen has yet to prove he is a one season wonder, Kadri is looking more & more like a bust, & Schenn's play this year makes our defense look like all-stars. Maybe it was just a real bad year for all of them but maybe previous years are were just another case of players looking better than they are because they were on a bad team. At one point Poni & Kaberle looked liked excellent players.

If we want to get better for next year by trading Staal it would have to be a one for one player swap. An impact player for another.

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06-11-2012, 11:01 PM
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I wouldn't mind looking at signing Jason Garrison. Had a big season for Florida this past year. 16 goals, 127 hits, and 124 blocked shots. 6'1 220 pounds and only 27.

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06-11-2012, 11:35 PM
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The Zach Parise Watch

Well the Devils just lost and that dramatically decreases their chances of re-signing him. There have been some rumblings of him coming to Pittsburgh and I just thought I would create a thread where everybody could post any info or thoughts on the chances of him becoming a Penguin.

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1% chance he becomes a Penguin.

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06-11-2012, 11:39 PM
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If Martin or Staal are moved before or on July 1st, I think we have a REALLY good chance of signing Parise, especially with Sid on the verge of a new 10-year deal at a minimal raise.

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Why would NJ losing drastically affect him not signing there? They did come in 2nd which is pretty impressive since only one team does

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of course you'd find a thread like this on the board of "one of the most arrogant organizations in the league."

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Why would NJ losing drastically affect him not signing there? They did come in 2nd which is pretty impressive since only one team does
The Devils are going to be cash strapped for a while. Brodeur will be retiring soon. He is going to want to go to a place where he can win a cup. I am not sure the Devils can be contenders every year. The fact they don't have the fan support that they should also doesn't help.

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How are they cash strapped?

NJ on Cap Geek

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If not here, I hope he ends up in Minnesota (i.e. relative obscurity) but I feel like he's going to end up in Detroit. I'll be shocked if they don't snag either him or Suter.

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06-11-2012, 11:59 PM
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They are going to have to pay some of their good young players. The Kovalchuk deal may prove to be a killer. I imagine they will be in the hunt for a top goalie in the coming years. Those don't come cheap. You can ask they Flyers. I just don't think they can be competitive year in and year out and Parise will want to go somewhere that can win the cup every year.

The Penguins do have cap issues. They do have movable salary and will give him the chance to play alongside the best player in the world for years to come. I have to think that he would strongly consider coming to the Pens.

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