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11-25-2003, 08:15 AM
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Blame this on whom?

The fact that the Sabres are 0-10-0 when the opponent scores first has the be brought up. Does the team just decide to fold it up if they don't score first? Who gets the blame? Ruff? Players? Captains? It is absolutely pathetic that we cannot come back from being down 1-0. Of course, then you have to praise whomever is to blame here because when the Sabres score first, they don't lose, 9-0-2-1 or whatever it is. Is this just the sign of a young team that flows with momentum or what?
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If you look around the league a lot of teams have a hard time coming back. That's what happens when most teams play a style where you try and score first and then cling to that lead for dear life.

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Blame Canada.

No, actually I think the team is just hitting some bad luck because look at last nite as an example, they fell behind early but they fought back and if it weren't for Luongo, that game would have at least been tied. Give it time.

 
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Contributing factors:

- Ruff's defensive system oriented to protect a lead
- lack of pure offensive talent necessary to score in spurts or rally
- youth can't rebound from momentum swings
- goaltenders may cave if scored on early

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Blame the instigator in a broader sense. Current goals per game is 5.03. The last year prior to the instigator was at 6.96 goals per game. It is easier to come back from a one goal deficit in an era where 7 goals are scored per game rather than 5 goals per game.

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Contributing factors:

- Ruff's defensive system oriented to protect a lead
- lack of pure offensive talent necessary to score in spurts or rally
- youth can't rebound from momentum swings
- goaltenders may cave if scored on early
Agreed, all contribute to why Buffalo can't come back. But I have to go with JB as well. Teams get a lead, then play the trap or another conservative, lead protecting defensive style.

 
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Agreed, all contribute to why Buffalo can't come back. But I have to go with JB as well. Teams get a lead, then play the trap or another conservative, lead protecting defensive style.
You know, the concept of the NFL's prevent defense. Which prevents you from holding a lead and you end up losing.

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Agreed, all contribute to why Buffalo can't come back. But I have to go with JB as well. Teams get a lead, then play the trap or another conservative, lead protecting defensive style.
This is also true. And it gets compounded by the second factor I mentioned.

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You know, the concept of the NFL's prevent defense. Which prevents you from holding a lead and you end up losing.
Yeah well, in the NFL DBs aren't allowed to clutch and grab WRs...........

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Yeah well, in the NFL DBs aren't allowed to clutch and grab WRs...........
At least not after 5 yards...

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Blame the instigator in a broader sense. Current goals per game is 5.03. The last year prior to the instigator was at 6.96 goals per game. It is easier to come back from a one goal deficit in an era where 7 goals are scored per game rather than 5 goals per game.
I agree completely, and nothing more really needs to be said. Other rules changes need to be made to reflect the size and ability of the players today as well.

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I agree completely, and nothing more really needs to be said.
Oh really? Then how do you explain the fact that the Sabres are 0-10 when surrendering the first goal and this pathetic scenario doesn't apply universally across the league? Much more needs to be said my friend.

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Scoring the first goal is much more important today than before the instigator.

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Scoring the first goal is much more important today than before the instigator.
But is that because of the instigator rule or the fact that other things have changed within the game as well to make contests a lot tighter defensively.

I would like to see them get rid of the instigator rule. But, I don't believe it would have a huge effect on how many goals are scored, nor open up the game and create more flow.

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Oh really? Then how do you explain the fact that the Sabres are 0-10 when surrendering the first goal and this pathetic scenario doesn't apply universally across the league? Much more needs to be said my friend.
I explain it as a league wide trend. Only five teams have a winning record when being scored on first. Twenty teams have a winning percentage of .250 or worse when being scored on first. Ten teams have one or zero wins when being scored on first.

So, if you want to blame someone, blame the NHL for allowing defensive trapping systems exists by not enforcing the rulebook. Blame the NHL for hiring incompetent arse monkeys for referees. Blame the NHL for adding 9 teams in 10 years, diluting the talent pool and driving up salarys, putting the league on the brink of the mother of all pro sports labor wars.

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