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06-11-2012, 01:44 PM
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Not sure why Anisimov is your third-line pivot - he'd be in Buffalo.
I was wondering the same thing

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06-11-2012, 01:55 PM
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06-11-2012, 01:58 PM
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Stepan has more value than Arty. Again I don't want to just dump Arty or Dubi I want value back.

If it can be a guy like Clowe with a pick and a 3rd liner then maybe. I threw Handzus out there. Would be expensive but add depth at C

Issue I have with the current Ranger lineup is Arty is not really a RW and he's not a #1 or maybe even 2 LW/C. He's the type of guy who can be bumped up and help like he did with the Stepan, Gabby line this yr.

Also whether NYR fans like it or not Boyle is the 3rd line C

Clowe type of guy, Richards, Gaborik
Kreider, Stepan, Callahan..........my ideal top 6

Hagelin , Boyle, X.....another player in a proposed deal
Rupp, FA faceoff C, hopefully Prust back

Again you dont move Dubi or AA unless you get a top 6 winger and a descent 3rd line RW in my opinion
We're kind of on the same page on this one, Vitto.
My quote was: "That's why I'd rather trade Stepan and get more for him." (emphasis added).

I don't want to dump hardly any of our guys, and the more productive they are, the less inclined I am to move them --- unless we can get that sniper.

IMO, there is more perceived upside for Stepan's potential. So I can more than live with the versatile AA; let's bundle this increased perception = higher trade value + another substantial asset if necessary (let you fill in that blank) and then get a serious impact player.

We could use more/better depth, but our biggest woes in post season were injury/exhaustion caused by Torts system combined with D style resulting in games too close = overtime, etc. = exhaustion.

We should sign Konopka. That gives us a beast for face-offs who would fit with Rupp + Prust = a fabulous 4th line.

I agree on Clowe if we can get him cheap enough. His price has dropped; whether we want to pay it or not remains to be seen...

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06-11-2012, 02:01 PM
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I think Rangers would have interest in Stafford but it would have to be more than a pick with him. Need a descent 3rd liner as well

Also Vanek for Dubi and AA. I do it on the Rangers side of things
I would say gaustad, but he was traded to Nashville, I would say if we could give them a cap dump I wouldn't mind seeing Leino coming with us on that deal.

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06-11-2012, 02:07 PM
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Stepan has more value than Arty. Again I don't want to just dump Arty or Dubi I want value back.

If it can be a guy like Clowe with a pick and a 3rd liner then maybe. I threw Handzus out there. Would be expensive but add depth at C

Issue I have with the current Ranger lineup is Arty is not really a RW and he's not a #1 or maybe even 2 LW/C. He's the type of guy who can be bumped up and help like he did with the Stepan, Gabby line this yr.

Also whether NYR fans like it or not Boyle is the 3rd line C

Clowe type of guy, Richards, Gaborik
Kreider, Stepan, Callahan..........my ideal top 6

Hagelin , Boyle, X.....another player in a proposed deal
Rupp, FA faceoff C, hopefully Prust back

Again you dont move Dubi or AA unless you get a top 6 winger and a descent 3rd line RW in my opinion
I have a solution. Put Boyle in the deal (any deal) and then he's not our 3rd line center anymore.

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I would say gaustad, but he was traded to Nashville, I would say if we could give them a cap dump I wouldn't mind seeing Leino coming with us on that deal.
LOL, what cap dump we talking about here?

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I would say gaustad, but he was traded to Nashville, I would say if we could give them a cap dump I wouldn't mind seeing Leino coming with us on that deal.
I sure as hell would mind.

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I'd do Dubinsky, Anisimov and a 1st for Vanek in a heartbeat.

Rangers get their top-6 sniper, Buffalo gets more forward depth and grit.

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Not sure why Anisimov is your third-line pivot - he'd be in Buffalo.
Did the same on the Rangers board. I'm just not in the right mind today.

Boyle as 3C and Gaustad as 4C. This deal would destroy our third line. Value-wise I think it's fine, but I'm not quite as ready to pull the trigger now.

Depth might take a hit, but we almost always have a surprise in camp that makes the team. Whether that's Yogan, Thomas, Miller, we might be able to squeek by. I'd be more comfortable with this if we retained Fedotenko and signed another vet forward. This UFA class makes me worried we'd have to replace someone of Anisimov's caliber by paying 3-3.5 mil which is really not doable for us. Hopefully we could fill it internally.

It would give us two very dynamic offensive lines, though.

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I'd offer Booth and a 2nd from Van. Willing to throw in Malhotra if you wanted him for depth.

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Stepan has more value than Arty. Again I don't want to just dump Arty or Dubi I want value back.

If it can be a guy like Clowe with a pick and a 3rd liner then maybe. I threw Handzus out there. Would be expensive but add depth at C

Issue I have with the current Ranger lineup is Arty is not really a RW and he's not a #1 or maybe even 2 LW/C. He's the type of guy who can be bumped up and help like he did with the Stepan, Gabby line this yr.

Also whether NYR fans like it or not Boyle is the 3rd line C

Clowe type of guy, Richards, Gaborik
Kreider, Stepan, Callahan..........my ideal top 6

Hagelin , Boyle, X.....another player in a proposed deal
Rupp, FA faceoff C, hopefully Prust back

Again you dont move Dubi or AA unless you get a top 6 winger and a descent 3rd line RW in my opinion
Yeah, I'd absolutely throw in Handzus. Add our 2nd too.

Dubi/AA

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Clowe/Zus/2nd

Is something that would make sense from our end, I don't know about yours.

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Yeah, I'd absolutely throw in Handzus. Add our 2nd too.

Dubi/AA

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Clowe/Zus/2nd

Is something that would make sense from our end, I don't know about yours.
It may make sense for the Rangers it just depends on how much they think Handzus has in the tank. I rather get back a 3rd line RW that can be gritty and chip in with some goals.........do the Sharks have that type of guy to place in this deal?

So say Dubi, AA for Clowe, 3rd line RW, draft pick

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Radulov for one or the other

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Radulov for one or the other
He's on his way out either way. I wouldn't be surprised if he returns a draft pick and mid prospect. You're not getting proven NHL talent for a giant question mark (actually he has 2 question marks).

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Would the Rangers consider Gionta straight for Anisimov, i seriously have no idea how to estimate the value of Anisimov.

I know that Gionta brings more to the table right now if the Rangers wanna go for a cup run. And i Know Marc Bergevin is hunting for big centermens.

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Would the Rangers consider Gionta straight for Anisimov, i seriously have no idea how to estimate the value of Anisimov.

I know that Gionta brings more to the table right now if the Rangers wanna go for a cup run. And i Know Marc Bergevin is hunting for big centermens.
Not a chance. Gionta is a big risk for the Rangers to take. He's small and is a player that's a good bet to decline since he goes to the corners and becomes physical.

Anisimov would be great for the Habs though, you can build around him and Galchenyuk.

That being said, I would ask for Eller + 2nd for Anisimov. Take it or leave it.

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Not a chance. Gionta is a big risk for the Rangers to take. He's small and is a player that's a good bet to decline since he goes to the corners and becomes physical.

Anisimov would be great for the Habs though, you can build around him and Galchenyuk.

That being said, I would ask for Eller + 2nd for Anisimov. Take it or leave it.
Yeah i'd keep Eller in that case, since they are pretty much the equivalent of each others.

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What about MacArthur+Steckel for Anisimov?

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What about MacArthur+Steckel for Anisimov?
MacArthur is a good player, but this is a lateral move for the Rangers.

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I think NY is better off keeping both Anisimov and Dubinsky

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