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06-13-2012, 02:15 AM
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Your team's top pairing right-side defenseman to Vancouver

A couple of us in Vancouver were wondering if any fans were willing to trade this player to us, and of course what would the cost be??

Bring it on!

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06-13-2012, 02:29 AM
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Untouchables: Sedins, Burrows, Kesler.

Edler, Hamuis, or Bieksa could be packaged if a significant upgrade was coming back.


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Untouchables: Sedins, Burrows, Kesler, Hamhuis-Bieksa(unless it's really good), and Edler(also unless it's really good). Anyone else is fair game, imho.
Way too many untouchables.

Sedins are off the limits rest are tradable with right pieces. although Hamhuis and Bieksa have NTC I believe.

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Untouchables: Sedins, Burrows, Kesler, Hamhuis-Bieksa(unless it's really good), and Edler(also unless it's really good). Anyone else is fair game, imho.
Sorry but a top pairing d-man is going to cost you assets you dont want to trade. After your untouchables, who has enough value to bring in a piece as highly sought after like a top d-man. I doubt picks and prospects will do.

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Way too many untouchables.

Sedins are off the limits rest are tradable with right pieces. although Hamhuis and Bieksa have NTC I believe.
Well Kesler is our only top 6 centre after the Sedins, and especially with him injured for the beginning of next season, unless we get a reasonable replacement in a 2 for 2 trade, I don't see it happening. Burrows is worth much more to the team than in trade value. Edler/Hamuis/Bieksa are basically available if we get a legit number 1 righty in return(which most teams wouldn't give up). We don't need a superstar defenseman, we'd be fine with an understated, defensive/shut down defensman that can play top pairing minutes. Hamhuis/Edler/Bieksa would need someone like Subban coming back to make it worth it(not straight up, of course).

-Edited my above post to ne more flexible.


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Well Kesler is our only top 6 centre after the Sedins, and especially with him injured for the beginning of next season, unless we get a reasonable replacement in a 2 for 2 trade, I don't see it happening. Burrows is worth much more to the team than in trade value. Edler/Hamuis/Bieksa are basically available if we get a legit number 1 righty in return(which most teams wouldn't give up). We don't need a superstar defenseman, we'd be fine with an understated, defensive/shut down defensman that can play top pairing minutes. Hamhuis/Edler/Bieksa would need someone like Subban coming back to make it worth it(not straight up, of course).
Why not just trade for Garrison's trade rights or sign him as UFA if he hits UFA status?

if we aren't willing to trade anything in value, we won't get anything in value.

Besides, we have abundance of LH D-man, so one of them could be expandable.

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06-13-2012, 02:50 AM
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Why not just trade for Garrison's trade rights or sign him as UFA if he hits UFA status?

if we aren't willing to trade anything in value, we won't get anything in value.

Besides, we have abundance of LH D-man, so one of them could be expandable.
You're right, edited my post above.
I think Garrison plays left side too, except on the PP.

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06-13-2012, 02:55 AM
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You're right, edited my post above.
I think Garrison plays left side too, except on the PP.
I heard he played right side often with Campbell as his partner, so we wouldn't have problem.

I just feel that we need more upgrade on offence than defence, so I'd rather want us to trade Edler for RW that's suitable as Kesler's linemate and sign Garrison as a replacement of Edler.

Maybe target someone on the Blues, since they need the #1 LH D-man and could expand a forward because they are deep in that position?

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Man the only top pairing guys in the league I could think of would be Weber and Myers that could be had by trade. And Vancouver doesn't have anyone in the system good enough to get a sniff from either team.

They might as well wait for Edler. It may take another couple years but he will get there. He's still getting better each year in points. And he'll only get better defensively.

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06-13-2012, 02:58 AM
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Man the only top pairing guys in the league I could think of would be Weber and Myers that could be had by trade. And Vancouver doesn't have anyone in the system good enough to get a sniff from either team.

They might as well wait for Edler. It may take another couple years but he will get there. He's still getting better each year in points. And he'll only get better defensively.
He's not a RH d-man though.

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I think "Top-pairing" is aiming way too high given the assets that the Canucks can give up.

Perhaps 'Your teams reasonable 2nd pairing right-side defencemen who can play 22 minutes without stuffing up too badly and play on the PP a bit as well, or prospect who seems like he will fit this description next year'

For some combination of
-1st
-Ballard
-Raymond
-A starting goaltender
-Any Canuck prospect not named Tanev, Schroeder, Kassian or Jensen (I know, I know, that's almost all of the good ones. Anton Rodin seems a bit lost in our new-found RW depth though.)

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They might as well wait for Edler. It may take another couple years but he will get there. He's still getting better each year in points. And he'll only get better defensively.
This is specifically designed to get a partner for Edler though.

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This is specifically designed to get a partner for Edler though.
Ah I see. In that case, uh, sign Shea Weber? Lol

If you ask me offense is Vancouver's bigger problem. Edler will be able to carry the first pairing sometime in the future.

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06-13-2012, 06:17 AM
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I would be willing to trade Edler+ for someone like P.K. Subban or Pietrangelo or any other No.1 righty, as we could pair him with Ballard. In the post season he was looking pretty good, and if we give him top 4 minutes it would do wonders for his confidence. We also could use Garrison to play left as well with whoever we get if Ballard doesn't recover.

Something like Edler + a package of Booth, Raymond, prospects and picks should be able to net us something nice.

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Mike Green?
Not with that list of untouchables.

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Mike Green?
Personally I would enjoy that, however what do we have to part with that the Caps would want? Certainly we can't spare a #2C or a 2C-ish prospect.

I'd offer Raymond + 1st for his RFA rights but I wouldn't take it if I were you.

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Personally I would enjoy that, however what do we have to part with that the Caps would want? Certainly we can't spare a #2C or a 2C-ish prospect.

I'd offer Raymond + 1st for his RFA rights but I wouldn't take it if I were you.
You can have Martin

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The proper list of untouchables is:

Sedins
Hamhuis
Bieksa

Unlikely to trade:
Higgins
Lapierre
Malholtra
Burrows
Kassian

Could trade, but it will cost you:
Kesler
Edler
Tanev
Schneider

Everyone else is fair game.

My targets would be Myers, Carlson, Girardi, Mike Green.

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So, some Canuck fans have players of value that can be had, but most have their usual collection of Ballard, Raymond, bad prospects, bottom 6 forwards and crappy picks in their grab bag for something good.

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I think "Top-pairing" is aiming way too high given the assets that the Canucks can give up.

Perhaps 'Your teams reasonable 2nd pairing right-side defencemen who can play 22 minutes without stuffing up too badly and play on the PP a bit as well, or prospect who seems like he will fit this description next year'

For some combination of
-1st
-Ballard
-Raymond
-A starting goaltender
-Any Canuck prospect not named Tanev, Schroeder, Kassian or Jensen (I know, I know, that's almost all of the good ones. Anton Rodin seems a bit lost in our new-found RW depth though.)
I was gonna throw Mark Pysyk out there (projects as a safe two-way top 4 RHD), but if all Van's decent prospects are off that table, there's no point. Ballard and Raymond are not good enough trade chips to get you a high-end prospect, and Buffalo doesn't need a goalie.

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The proper list of untouchables is:

Sedins
Hamhuis
Bieksa

Unlikely to trade:
Higgins
Lapierre
Malholtra
Burrows
Kassian

Could trade, but it will cost you:
Kesler
Edler
Tanev
Schneider

Everyone else is fair game.

My targets would be Myers, Carlson, Girardi, Mike Green.
I doubt Vancouver is willing to part the the number/quality of assets it would take to get Myers/Carlson (though idk what the asking price would be for the other 2). Myers is the most untouchable player on the Sabres roster.

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Boston trades:
Rights to Joseph Corvo

Vancouver trades:
Zack Kassian
2013 3rd

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I think "Top-pairing" is aiming way too high given the assets that the Canucks can give up.

Perhaps 'Your teams reasonable 2nd pairing right-side defencemen who can play 22 minutes without stuffing up too badly and play on the PP a bit as well, or prospect who seems like he will fit this description next year'

For some combination of
-1st
-Ballard
-Raymond
-A starting goaltender
-Any Canuck prospect not named Tanev, Schroeder, Kassian or Jensen (I know, I know, that's almost all of the good ones. Anton Rodin seems a bit lost in our new-found RW depth though.)
Nothing of major value. Starting goalie? Is that the guy with 10 years left on his contract?

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