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06-13-2012, 09:10 AM
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There are much better ways to get d-men.

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Sounds like Oilers management is leaking Rumors to start a bidding war jmo.
Doubtful, just Dreger speculating. He rarely knows anything on the Oilers. He had MacT not being a coaching candidate for the Oilers, but never knew anything about the MacT to Hockey Operations job. Which is kinda sad as MacT was his source.

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Draft Murray problem solved. He aint that much worse than Nail and Edm really needs great d.
it would certainly make everyones life easier, Oilers get murray, Columbus gets yak, everything goes back to the way it was before the lottery

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Draft Murray problem solved. He aint that much worse than Nail and Edm really needs great d.
Drafting Murray solves nothing really. We need a d-man now. How long is Murray away from being an impact d-man?

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There are much better ways to get d-men.
I sooner give a UFA more money than he is worth.

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Edmonton is sort of in a bind if they want Murray. Basically there is only 1 team they can trade with to guarantee them Murray and Columbus could play hardball with them to say why should we give you much to move up(and threaten they are taking Murray if Nail is taken first so no use trading beyond 2nd)
Not necessarily. Some rankings have Murray ranked lower. After Nail, most rankings look very different.

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06-13-2012, 09:13 AM
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Drafting Murray solves nothing really. We need a d-man now. How long is Murray away from being an impact d-man?
An impact dman ? Hard to tell. He might do it this year, he might never.

Considering just draft him makes him a top 3 on Edmonton, it shouldn't be long.

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06-13-2012, 09:15 AM
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There are much better ways to get d-men.
Possibly, but the Oilers didn't just start trying. they have been trying for years to improve their D. Hasn't happened.

The delusional among us will have you think MPS, Gagner and a 2nd will get you the all-star you need. But let's be honest, if that could have happened, it would have happened by now.

You gotta give to get.

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06-13-2012, 09:17 AM
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Possibly, but the Oilers didn't just start trying. they have been trying for years to improve their D. Hasn't happened.

The delusional among us will have you think MPS, Gagner and a 2nd will get you the all-star you need. But let's be honest, if that could have happened, it would have happened by now.

You gotta give to get.
They don't need an all-star.

Any GM in the league can get d-men without giving up the first pick. Look at all the elite d-men moved in the last 10 years. How many involved the first overall pick.

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06-13-2012, 09:17 AM
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Apparently you missed the World Comps. Sekera is a #2 d man all day long, he was easily the best D man at the worlds and his NHL career has progressed into a great 2way shut down D man.

He was easily Buffalo's best Dman this past season.

I do agree with you it would take Sekera, the 12th, the 21st, and in my humble opinion, a defensive prospect such as Pysyk, or McNabb. That is, if Edmonton is looking to bolster the defensive stable, which it sounds like they are.
The Oilers' defensive prospects are quite strong what they lack are an NHL quality 1-2 pairing going into next year.

The fact that so many people are discussing swapping the pick for a mediocre player in return goes to show how irrationally people treat the pick as an asset.

There is very little difference between Taylor Hall and Nail Yakupov and while almost everyone can agree that it would be insane to trade Taylor Hall for a 2-3 defenseman , a mid 1st round pick and a mid second round pick, it is completely kosher to trade a pick that would invariably land Yakupov.

The Oilers would be far better served to draft Nail this summer and move him 2 years from now, if they have to, when he could be one of the most valuable assets in the league.

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I guess because this comes from Dreger, it is good as gold, right? I would not put much, if any stock in what he has to say regarding the Oilers, fellow Oil fans.

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Possibly, but the Oilers didn't just start trying. they have been trying for years to improve their D. Hasn't happened.

The delusional among us will have you think MPS, Gagner and a 2nd will get you the all-star you need. But let's be honest, if that could have happened, it would have happened by now.

You gotta give to get.
We haven't exactly tried to do anything the past few years. It's a common mis-conception that people think that we thought Barker, Potter, Sutton, Belanger and Eager were the pieces to make this team a playoff team last year. These guys were all stop gaps to allow some of our younger players to develop in OKC. With the exception of Barker who was a guy we took a chance on because we could.

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Are there any recent examples of a team drafting based on team need rather than BPA that blew up in their face?

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The Oilers' defensive prospects are quite strong what they lack are an NHL quality 1-2 pairing going into next year.

The fact that so many people are discussing swapping the pick for a mediocre player in return goes to show how irrationally people treat the pick as an asset.

There is very little difference between Taylor Hall and Nail Yakupov and while almost everyone can agree that it would be insane to trade Taylor Hall for a 2-3 defenseman , a mid 1st round pick and a mid second round pick, it is completely kosher to trade a pick that would invariably land Yakupov.

The Oilers would be far better served to take him and move him 2 years from now, if they have to, when he could be one of the most valuable assets in the league.
I completely agree. As a Buffalo fan, my answer to the original Buf offer was to say it would take both 1st rounders we currently have and a roster D man, maybe 2.
I just don't believe Buffalo would be willing to give up what it would take to get the 1st overall selection.

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Are there any recent examples of a team drafting based on team need rather than BPA that blew up in their face?
Is there any recent examples of a team that took need over BPA at #1?

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To Winnipeg
-1st overall pick

To Edmonton
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-9th overall pick

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They don't need an all-star.

Any GM in the league can get d-men without giving up the first pick. Look at all the elite d-men moved in the last 10 years. How many involved the first overall pick.
How many star players as a whole dealt required first round picks ?

1st overall picks aren't dealt for 1 player. If they are dealt, it's to get some assets and move back a few spots.

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Why does it have to be at the draft. Just draft Yak and trade his rights during the summer.


That way they can wait and see which team gets Murray or Dumba and go to them and try to arrange a deal....

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Edmonton should offer sheet Shea Webber and send a contract offer to Ryan Sutter.. Only problem would be the end result. Strapped up against the cap with lots of young talent to sign.

What would Edmonton rather if this were possible

2013 1st
2014 1st
2013 2nd

or

Shea Webber?

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06-13-2012, 09:26 AM
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Why does it have to be at the draft. Just draft Yak and trade his rights during the summer.


That way they can wait and see which team gets Murray or Dumba and go to them and try to arrange a deal....
You don't draft someone in the first, then trade them a month later....

Sens and Isles did that in a swap of Beard for Redden. Other than that I have no idea of anyone else doing it.

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Are there any recent examples of a team drafting based on team need rather than BPA that blew up in their face?
2000 - Islanders pick Rick DiPietro

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Is there any recent examples of a team that took need over BPA at #1?
Fluery over Staal in '03 comes to mind....but I wouldn't say that has worked out poorly for the Penguins.

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Drafting Murray solves nothing really. We need a d-man now. How long is Murray away from being an impact d-man?
Just about every scouting report on Murray, predicts he'll be in the nhl next season.

The scout/writer from TSR,says Murray will be able to play top 4 mins next season.Pretty impressive if he can step in and play at such a high level right away.

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To Winnipeg
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To Edmonton
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brillant for both teams

jets get the yak

oil get bogo and draft rielly

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brillant for both teams

jets get the yak

oil get bogo and draft rielly
Edmonton would have to send something pretty substantial back.

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