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06-13-2012, 09:08 AM
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Remember last year (or was it the year before) when Canucks fans were trying to get rid of Bieksa? Now he's untouchable.

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06-13-2012, 09:20 AM
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Remember last year (or was it the year before) when Canucks fans were trying to get rid of Bieksa? Now he's untouchable.




because of a NTC

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Nothing of major value. Starting goalie? Is that the guy with 10 years left on his contract?
Indeed, which is why the expectations should be tempered from 'Top-pairing' to 'reasonable 2nd pairing who might be able to play a bit of PP and not **** up too much'.

Notice the goaltender(s) are not referred to by name. It could be the one signed to an excellent 5.3M cap hit, or it could be the other one.

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Remember last year (or was it the year before) when Canucks fans were trying to get rid of Bieksa? Now he's untouchable.
2 years ago (almost 3 now). 09-10 was not a happy time for Bieksa, but he has really turned it around. Show me a mid tier player who hasn't been crapped on by a fan base some time in the last 3 years.

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06-13-2012, 10:18 AM
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Maybe target someone on the Blues, since they need the #1 LH D-man and could expand a forward because they are deep in that position?
Most Blues fans will probably balk at Oshie or Tarasenko.

Perron or Chris Stewart would be the guys to target.

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06-13-2012, 10:25 AM
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Green for Burrows? I don't know...

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06-13-2012, 10:30 AM
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I don't see what's out there on the trade market, frankly. I'd rather take a shot at Jason Garrison and even Shea Weber (or hell, try to get Ryan Suter and tell Alex Edler his contract year hinges on adjusting to playing the right side).

The movement clause untouchables list in Vancouver is: Sedin, Sedin, Kesler (we aren't talking about Paul ****ing Holmgren here), Malhotra, Hamhuis, Bieksa

The we-just-acquired-him untouchables list in Vancouver is: Kassian

The we're-talking-about-acquiring-a-partner-for-him list in Vancouver is: Edler

Otherwise, have at it. For the sake of an actual discussion feel free to include Roberto Luongo or Cory Schneider.

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06-13-2012, 10:38 AM
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I'm in the camp that says Kesler isn't untouchable.

His peripherals can be replaced by committee and from a purely offense-generating standpoint, he is sub-par as a 2nd line centre.

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I'd do it.

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06-13-2012, 10:40 AM
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I'm in the camp that says Kesler isn't untouchable.

His peripherals can be replaced by committee and from a purely offense-generating standpoint, he is sub-par as a 2nd line centre.


I'd do it.
I think Nucks would have to add, but I think that's the good "core" of the trade.

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06-13-2012, 10:41 AM
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I doubt Vancouver is willing to part the the number/quality of assets it would take to get Myers/Carlson (though idk what the asking price would be for the other 2). Myers is the most untouchable player on the Sabres roster.
I don't think it's unreasonable to demand value or even overpayment for Myers or Carlson.

I'd offer Kesler and Tanev for Myers and a centre to start, knowing that Vancouver has to add.

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06-13-2012, 10:49 AM
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Kesler

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Phaneuf + 2nd round pick (35th overall)

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Kesler

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Phaneuf + 2nd round pick (35th overall)

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Isn't Phaneuf LH?

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Kesler

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Phaneuf + 2nd round pick (35th overall)

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Without being rude about it, no thanks.

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Without being rude about it, no thanks.
Are there actually any Leafs defencemen the Canucks would want besides Gardiner? I'll offer Komisarek for a 7th?

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Both Kesler and Burrows are guys that would require EXTREME overpayment to acquire.

It just doesn't make sense to move either.

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Both Kesler and Burrows are guys that would require EXTREME overpayment to acquire.

It just doesn't make sense to move either.
If you want to get something, you need to give something up. You can't keep Bieksa, Edler, Sedins, Burrows, Kesler and get a top-pairing D. Not gonna happen.

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06-13-2012, 11:28 AM
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I think Nucks would have to add, but I think that's the good "core" of the trade.
If the Capitals for whatever reason decide they want to be part of the Luongo sweepstakes I could see a deal along the lines of Luongo and Burrows for Green and a couple of (not top drawer) assets, I'd ask for Brouwer personally.

Otherwise if you think something significant has to be added to Burrows I'm not sure there's a deal there that works for the Canucks; AB is the kind of player we'd deal if the return was great (and I'd say Green qualifies) but I wouldn't be interested in adding a first and a top prospect or something like that.

Alternatively, say Burrows and Chris Tanev or Burrows and Keith Ballard?

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Are there actually any Leafs defencemen the Canucks would want besides Gardiner? I'll offer Komisarek for a 7th?
The Canucks are set down the left side so the only lefty we'd take has to be both better than one of our lefties and a good contract/likely to improve. Gunnarsson is a nice player but I just don't find him that interesting so it's really just Gardiner.

I'd take Schenn if the Leafs are dealing him for cents on the dollar but many Canuck fans wouldn't and he doesn't really fit the type of player the Canucks have tried to add to the blueline over the last few years.

As for Phaneuf, meh. I don't think he has a real high IQ, hockey or otherwise, and at $6.3m he'd have to be our best defenseman.

That and, too many years watching him play for the Flames.

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06-13-2012, 11:36 AM
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I don't think we need a top pairing defensemen in the mold of a Pietrangelo or a Weber.

We need someone to play with Edler on our 2nd pairing. With the way the coaches use our defensemen the player will receive premium offensive zone starts while not being relied on to be the #1 shutdown pairing.

A player like Seabrook would be perfect but very pricey.

A player like Green or Ehrhoff would be a decent fit.

On the lower end of the spectrum a player like Robidas could work.

In the UFA period I can see names like Carle, Colaiacovo and Garrison being targeted.

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06-13-2012, 11:37 AM
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Green + Johansson

for Kesler + Ballard

Van: gets their 1RHD, a 21 yo C that had 46pts in his 2nd season and they save +3M in capspace.

Caps: Get their long awaited 2C and a D-man, paid too much, but could benefit from the change of scenary that could play on the second pairing.

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06-13-2012, 11:53 AM
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I don't think we need a top pairing defensemen in the mold of a Pietrangelo or a Weber.

We need someone to play with Edler on our 2nd pairing. With the way the coaches use our defensemen the player will receive premium offensive zone starts while not being relied on to be the #1 shutdown pairing.

A player like Seabrook would be perfect but very pricey.

A player like Green or Ehrhoff would be a decent fit.

On the lower end of the spectrum a player like Robidas could work.

In the UFA period I can see names like Carle, Colaiacovo and Garrison being targeted.
I would love for the Canucks to sign Colaiacovo.

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06-13-2012, 11:59 AM
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It's more like finding a partner for Edler, than looking for a top pairing D.

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06-13-2012, 12:01 PM
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Just for fun:

To Vancouver:
Dan Boyle
Ryane Clowe

To SJ:
Alexander Edler
Chris Higgins

Picks to even things out where needed. I think it's fairly decent as is since Edler and Higgins are both UFA's next year while Boyle has two seasons left.

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Just for fun:

To Vancouver:
Dan Boyle
Ryane Clowe

To SJ:
Alexander Edler
Chris Higgins

Picks to even things out where needed. I think it's fairly decent as is since Edler and Higgins are both UFA's next year while Boyle has two seasons left.
...if Boyle was 5 years younger, maybe. But That's pretty poor for Vancouver, unless they really don't believe they can sign Edler long-term.

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To Vancouver:
Dan Boyle
Ryane Clowe

To SJ:
Alexander Edler
Chris Higgins
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It's more like finding a partner for Edler, than looking for a top pairing D.
Values pretty even (with maybe a pick here or there) I suppose but Higgins is more important than Clowe just because of his speed.

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06-13-2012, 12:05 PM
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Yeah. I could see that deal being fair to the Sharks given they have to worry about re-signing Edler but I don't think that would be a problem for the Canucks.

Anyway as has been mentioned earlier the whole point of getting a top flight righty is to pair him with Edler.. dealing Edler for him just means we're now looking for a top pairing left side defenseman (admittedly easier to find). Unless we're going forward with a Ballard-Boyle pairing.

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06-13-2012, 12:09 PM
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I'm in the camp that says Kesler isn't untouchable.

His peripherals can be replaced by committee and from a purely offense-generating standpoint, he is sub-par as a 2nd line centre.
Seriously, are you kidding? Kesler is one of, if not the best defensive center in the league and puts up 70+ points a year when he's healthy. "Sub-par" is incredibly off base.

If a team wants Ryan Kesler, they better be prepared to overpay.

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