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06-13-2012, 10:31 AM
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You don't draft someone in the first, then trade them a month later....
Sens and Isles did that in a swap of Beard for Redden. Other than that I have no idea of anyone else doing it.

who says? its uncommon for sure but it would be a smart move by the oilers. That way they dont have to trade down. Trading down for a player is risky because that player might be gone.

If they trade down to #3 to get Murray, who says CBJ doesnt take him? now theyve lost out on Yakupov AND Murray.

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2000 - Islanders pick Rick DiPietro
How did they need DiPietro? They had Luongo.

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06-13-2012, 10:35 AM
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Edmonton should offer sheet Shea Webber and send a contract offer to Ryan Sutter.. Only problem would be the end result. Strapped up against the cap with lots of young talent to sign.

What would Edmonton rather if this were possible

2013 1st
2014 1st
2013 2nd

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Shea Webber?
If I were the Oilers brain trust I'd run the numbers and give it a lot of thought but at the end of the day I think it comes a year or two too soon. Even with Webber, the forward core is built around kids under the age of 22 who probably need another year or two of experience (and physical maturation in the case of Hall and RNH) before they are ready to contend.

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Yakupov in two years will be worth more than the first overall pick. It makes more sense to draft him, wait, an trade him or someone else for help on D.

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To Winnipeg
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To Edmonton
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-9th overall pick
This is more like it, just depends what we actually think of Bogosian.

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How did they need DiPietro? They had Luongo.
That's a question for Mike Milbury. They obviously felt goaltending was an organizational need, even with Luongo.

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Mike Green + 11th Pick +?

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Fluery over Staal in '03 comes to mind....but I wouldn't say that has worked out poorly for the Penguins.
I'm not a fan of Fleury to be honest. I guess another would be Long Island's choice.

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Just about every scouting report on Murray, predicts he'll be in the nhl next season.

The scout/writer from TSR,says Murray will be able to play top 4 mins next season.Pretty impressive if he can step in and play at such a high level right away.
Being in the NHL next year means very little. Andrew Shaw was taken 139th last year and played half a year doesn't mean he is better than a lot of guys, just that he was ready.

With that being said if Murray can step in and be a top 4 that is pretty impressive, then again that isn't going to be hard to do on the Oil.

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who says? its uncommon for sure but it would be a smart move by the oilers. That way they dont have to trade down. Trading down for a player is risky because that player might be gone.

If they trade down to #3 to get Murray, who says CBJ doesnt take him? now theyve lost out on Yakupov AND Murray.
It would be a PR nightmare. They aren't going to contend next year and they can build a team that will get them to where they need to be in the standings (8-12) without moving a talent like Yakupov. There is a good chance that they end up moving him or one of the existing kids before all is said and done but it won't be while they are on their ELCs.

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Mike Green + 11th Pick +?
That's a tough one, value might be there but that's a risky move for a team that has gone through it's fair share of injuries.

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I know this is like beating a dead horse, however earlier this morning on TSN 1050 radio Darren Dreger was on discussing what Edmonton is likely to do at the draft. He said that his sense is that the Oilers don't simply take Yakupov at No. 1. They need to add on defense, and this may force them to trade down..

I know Edmonton seems to be extremely high on Murray. How can they set up a trade that gets them Murray and another defense man?

Somehow get a solid defense man and acquire the 2nd overall pick?
Three-way trade with Vancouver?

To Columbus: Cory Schneider, 26th overall pick

To Edmonton: Chris Tanev (or Keith Ballard if you want experience), 2nd overall pick

To Vancouver: 1st overall pick

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How many star players as a whole dealt required first round picks ?

1st overall picks aren't dealt for 1 player. If they are dealt, it's to get some assets and move back a few spots.
and how well has that worked out in the past?

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06-13-2012, 10:46 AM
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How surprising that Dreger mentions on a Toronto sports radio station that the Oilers are interested in trading down just after a (false) rumour comes out that Burke is looking to trade up to 1st with Schenn and the 5th.

Just telling Toronto fans what they want to hear IMO to keep them listening and interested.

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06-13-2012, 10:50 AM
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I don't believe a word of what Dreger is saying. He is just getting his ratings up.

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06-13-2012, 10:51 AM
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Three-way trade with Vancouver?

To Columbus: Cory Schneider, 26th overall pick

To Edmonton: Chris Tanev (or Keith Ballard if you want experience), 2nd overall pick

To Vancouver: 1st overall pick
Oooo. You'd really give up Keith Ballard?

Also Tanev has 3 points the NHL. Sure he might be decent eventually but we already have enough depth defenceman and I don't think he projects to be top pairing.

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Three-way trade with Vancouver?

To Columbus: Cory Schneider, 26th overall pick

To Edmonton: Chris Tanev (or Keith Ballard if you want experience), 2nd overall pick

To Vancouver: 1st overall pick
I'd have to say, that looks like a pretty decent proposal for all sides.

Or the Oilers trade Yakupov for an already established, but young D?

Would Yakupov be enough to fetch a player like OEL?

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Three-way trade with Vancouver?

To Columbus: Cory Schneider, 26th overall pick

To Edmonton: Chris Tanev (or Keith Ballard if you want experience), 2nd overall pick

To Vancouver: 1st overall pick
nuck fanas think too highly of both Ballard and tanev--Tanev is going to be one of those guys that all teams have where the fan base think he is better then he is

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brillant for both teams

jets get the yak

oil get bogo and draft rielly
This is overpayment from Winnipeg, Bogosian is going nowhere. The trade:
Winnipeg; Enstrom and 1st in 2013
Edmonton: 1st over-all

if Oil want 9th this year too then they give up Gagne or close prospect

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This is more like it, just depends what we actually think of Bogosian.
I'd actually make this trade if I were Edmonton. You'll then have a good chance of Rielly, Trouba or Reinhart with the 9th pick and even if you have to trade up a spot, etc., from 9 to 7 isnt a large price.

This is the type of trade the Oilers should think long and hard about, if it were offered.

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I'd have to say, that looks like a pretty decent proposal for all sides.

Or the Oilers trade Yakupov for an already established, but young D?

Would Yakupov be enough to fetch a player like OEL?
It isn't very good for Columbus.

They give up the #2 for an unsigned Schneider and a late, late 1st.

Vancouver makes out best--

It is probably fine for Edmonton, if they believe Murray is their best bet.

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I don't believe a word of what Dreger is saying. He is just getting his ratings up.
I don't know why you have this thought process. Dreger was probably asking if it's a possibility to move down, and I'm sure EDM said yes. All GMs should say yes. A good GM would make sure they look at all possible outcomes and at least see what they can get by trading.

Therefore - it's probably true, but the percent of it happening is probably low.

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To Columbus:
1st overall - Draft Yakupov

To Edmonton:
2nd Overall - Draft Murray
Cody Goloubef


Columbus gets their future star if they trade Nash, and Edmonton gets the Dman they wanted aswell as an NHL ready D prospect that could end up being a pairing together in the future.

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06-13-2012, 11:13 AM
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To Columbus:
1st overall - Draft Yakupov

To Edmonton:
2nd Overall - Draft Murray
Cody Goloubef


Columbus gets their future star if they trade Nash, and Edmonton gets the Dman they wanted aswell as an NHL ready D prospect that could end up being a pairing together in the future.
So by that logic Columbus should be happy to get a 2-3 D-man and an NHL ready D prospect, that could end up being a pairing in the future, for Nash?

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It seems to me the Oilers want Murray, but don't feel he's worth the #1 overall pick. If they could ensure that he's there at #5, my guess is the Schenn/#5 pick deal would get it done. They might have to make a series of smaller "appeasement" type deals to get where they want to be on draft day.

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It seems to me the Oilers want Murray, but don't feel he's worth the #1 overall pick. If they could ensure that he's there at #5, my guess is the Schenn/#5 pick deal would get it done. They might have to make a series of smaller "appeasement" type deals to get where they want to be on draft day.
You're grossly over valuing Schenn. Replace his name with Gardiner and there is a basis for the conversation.

The Oilers have no real interest in giving the Leafs a franchise right winger for a 2-3 D, and a 5-6 D.

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