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06-13-2012, 03:36 PM
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His game against Russia was one of the worst I've seen a defenseman play (and I'm an Oilers fan) but his body of work at the world juniors wasn't that bad.
If Murray doesn't play that game Canada would have actually won.

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06-13-2012, 03:37 PM
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How about..

Gardiner + 5th + (B Prospect)

for

1rst + Gagner

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I get the feeling that this draft is a lot like 2008.

Do the Oilers want Stamkos? Or Doughty? The kid that just won the cup? Who knows.
Stamkos would of had 20+ goals if he played for the Kings, Murray is good but no Doughty, Doughty is a top 5 defenceman in the best league today.

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06-13-2012, 03:39 PM
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How about..

Gardiner + 5th + (B Prospect)

for

1rst + Gagner
ha was just going to post something like this

I"m pretty sure this was discussed a while back

Especially if Edm got the 'feeling' acquiring Gardiner also meant Schultz this would be pretty solid value

maybe add Khabibulin and Reimer

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06-13-2012, 03:40 PM
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The Eastern Media seriously needs to stop with the BS. I'll believe it when I see it, or when Bob McKenzie reports it. Everything that's come out from the Oilers is they will take the best player available and that Edmonton management doesn't believe anyone will offer what it will take to get the pick.

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06-13-2012, 03:40 PM
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If Murray doesn't play that game Canada would have actually won.
That isn't true at all. It wasn't just Murray that blew that game. He was awful, but it was far from the only awful performance in that game by a guy with a maple leaf on his jersey.

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06-13-2012, 03:41 PM
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How about..

Gardiner + 5th + (B Prospect)

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1rst + Gagner
The Oilers are giving too much. We don't like Gagner because we don't have any big wingers to give him but he is a legitimate 2C and losing him without a 2C coming back would leave a huge hole in our line up.

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06-13-2012, 03:42 PM
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How about..

Gardiner + 5th + (B Prospect)

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1rst + Gagner
Unfortunately when you're dealing with the first, an even trade isn't going to cut it (not that I think that that's even)

To get Edmonton management to trade that pick, it'll have to be a big overpay.

For the 1st from Toronto, I would expect Gardiner, the 5th, and Colborne straight up. I don't think Toronto does it and that's fine - it's why the 1st isn't traded that often, GMs aren't stupid enough to offer what it would take. It's not that fans think that it's fair, it's just what would actually have to be offered.

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I don't have the confidence that Tambo will make a worthy trade... Sigh just take the unanimous #1...

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That isn't true at all. It wasn't just Murray that blew that game. He was awful, but it was far from the only awful performance in that game by a guy with a maple leaf on his jersey.
Final score is 6-5 Russia.


3 goals that were scored by Russia were all Murray's fault.

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06-13-2012, 03:43 PM
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How about..

Gardiner + 5th + Colborne

for

1st + Peckham
That isn't half bad. Gardiner > Schenn obviously

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06-13-2012, 03:43 PM
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Really poor comparison since Doughty was great in his final season and Murray hasn't been impressive at all coming into this draft.


Drew Doughty
65 5 28 33
67 21 53 74
58 13 37 50




Vs

Ryan Murray
52 5 22 27
70 6 40 46
46 9 22 31
Aside from the World Juniors debacle, Murray actually did have a good final season. He played very well in the WHL playoffs on a team that probably wouldn't have made them if he wasn't on the squad. He then looked very good at the World Championships, his first look against professional competition. He's no Yakupov, but running him through the mud make you look biased.

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How about..

Gardiner + 5th + (B Prospect)

for

1rst + Gagner
How about no chance

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Buffalo could save them the trouble of drafting & developing Murray and just trade you an established top-2 d-man....

How about

to

D Andrej Sekera ($2.75M)
2012 1st RND pick [12th]
2012 2nd RND pick [44th]

Oilers get an excellent 2-way d-man with the same size & skill-set as Murray, as well as a mid-round 1st to select Ceci or Maatta & a decent 2nd.

To

2012 1st RND pick [1st]

Sabres could take Yakupov, or ensure they get their centreman by grabbing Galchenyuk first O/A.
Dont see it

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06-13-2012, 03:47 PM
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Final score is 6-5 Russia.


3 goals that were scored by Russia were all Murray's fault.
No they weren't. One was a deflection, you can't call that his fault. And what about the horrid goaltending? Is that Murray's fault too? How about the forwards all mailing it in and stopping their forecheck on the Russian blueliners. It was an all around team fail that lost that game.

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Aside from the World Juniors debacle, Murray actually did have a good final season. He played very well in the WHL playoffs on a team that probably wouldn't have made them if he wasn't on the squad. He then looked very good at the World Championships, his first look against professional competition. He's no Yakupov, but running him through the mud make you look biased.
If Murray is so good why is he never on a consistent basis ranked the best d-man in the draft?

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06-13-2012, 03:54 PM
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There was a list awhile back that showed Murray between 5-10.

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06-13-2012, 03:55 PM
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If Murray is so good why is he never on a consistent basis ranked the best d-man in the draft?
Murray's appeal is that he appears to be a sure thing top 4 guy with great leadership qualities. Rielly, Dumba, and Reinhart all appear to have higher top end but who knows if they will ever realize that potential.

If we were picking anywhere but first I'd want the Oilers to take him (though I'd be tempted by Grigs and Gally).

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06-13-2012, 03:57 PM
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Snow should be on this like a rabid mother****er. Nail + JT = Lethal

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That's not even close to fair (Garrison rights are worthless so you are pitching Howden and a mid round 1st plus a mid round second). Even if you added to the point that it was fair, you have to grossly overpay if you want 1st overall.

Overpay = Huberdeau, Gudbranson, + 1st

You don't like it? Fine. The Oilers are happy to keep the potential 40 goal scorer.


Thats not an overpayment at all, its a massive massive overpayment. You seriously need a reality-check, and stop overvaluing the pick. Because the 1st overall players usually end up being a great player, it doesn't mean Yakupov has to. Get real.. I highly doubt you would even be offered Huberdeau by Tallon.

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06-13-2012, 03:58 PM
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I know this is like beating a dead horse, however earlier this morning on TSN 1050 radio Darren Dreger was on discussing what Edmonton is likely to do at the draft. He said that his sense is that the Oilers don't simply take Yakupov at No. 1. They need to add on defense, and this may force them to trade down..

I know Edmonton seems to be extremely high on Murray. How can they set up a trade that gets them Murray and another defense man?

Somehow get a solid defense man and acquire the 2nd overall pick?
While Dreger is a credible source.

Since being hired MacT has stated.

1. you take offensive talent at the top of the draft
2. defensive help takes longer to develop.
3. you take the goal scoring talent cause it is the most sought after and will get you the best return.

to further this.

tambellini stated in the last two days.
There is no defense in this year draft that can help in the NHL this year.

Of the top 5 picks in the draft. there are only 5 tough comp dmen that would be considered. from these teams.

MTL georges, Subban
NYI Hamonic, Mcdonald
Tor Gunnarsson.

who knows?

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06-13-2012, 04:00 PM
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I don't know if Murray would still be available at #4, but if so would this work

To NY Islanders:

1st overall: Yakupov

To Edmonton:

Travis Hamonic
4th overall
I am sold on Hamonic, I would do this but no way the Isles do.

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If Murray is so good why is he never on a consistent basis ranked the best d-man in the draft?
Ryan Murray is sort of the Sean Couturier of this draft(basically a guy who has been around for a long time in terms of the discussion of top players this draft that people start picking problems that they give free passes to other guys)

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While Dreger is a credible source.

Since being hired MacT has stated.

1. you take offensive talent at the top of the draft
2. defensive help takes longer to develop.
3. you take the goal scoring talent cause it is the most sought after and will get you the best return.

to further this.

tambellini stated in the last two days.
There is no defense in this year draft that can help in the NHL this year.

Of the top 5 picks in the draft. there are only 5 tough comp dmen that would be considered. from these teams.

MTL georges, Subban
NYI Hamonic, Mcdonald
Tor Gunnarsson.

who knows?
Well the Islander will not give you either one so guess its time to move on.

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06-13-2012, 04:01 PM
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I want Josh Gorges + for the 1st overall if we're dealing wih the Habs. Subban is too valuable to the Habs which is understandable.

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