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06-13-2012, 05:52 PM
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Philadelphia - Anaheim

Greetings.

I was thinking of this trade proposal in which this might help out both teams. Feel free to scorch away.

To Philadelphia: Bobby Ryan, Luca Sbisa, Peter Holland
To Anaheim: James Van Riemsdyk, Jakub Voracek, Sergei Bobrovsky and the rights to Matt Carle

Anaheim still keeps a top line intact which will include Corey Perry / Ryan Getzlaf / Kyle Palmieri and a new second line with Van Reimsdyk and Voracek flanking the wings. As well, the Ducks get a young goaltender that can be groomed for the starter role and the rights to Matt Carle, who had played good hockey on the west coast with San Jose in his rookie year.

As for the Flyers, they get a potentially elite winger in Ryan who can be partnered with Giroux for the long haul. As well, they get a good young defenseman back who is familiar with the Flyers organization and is on the path to developing into a great top four defender. Finally, the Flyers get a good young player to start grooming around in Peter Holland.

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06-13-2012, 05:55 PM
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I feel like you should ask for Perry too, just to make sure Anaheim doesn't have any good players left.

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06-13-2012, 05:56 PM
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Carle is pretty much resigned already due to cap tagging it hasnt been anounced. Im not sure i really want to hold onto Voracek

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Greetings.

I was thinking of this trade proposal in which this might help out both teams. Feel free to scorch away.

To Philadelphia: Bobby Ryan, Luca Sbisa, Peter Holland
To Anaheim: James Van Riemsdyk, Jakub Voracek, Sergei Bobrovsky and the rights to Matt Carle
Although I would love JVR, the Ducks have no reason to deal any of the three players involved. Also, they have no need for Bob or Carle (who is reportedly set to sign a 4 or 5 year extension with Philly).

Luca is turning into a solid dman and Holland is the second line center of the future. Although Voracek would be of use in Anaheim right now, they can't deal the guys involved in this proposal.

If Anaheim were to make a deal with Philly, it would be around Palmieri and a first for JVR. We're trying to set up a line for Bobby to play on. The goal for the Ducks would be to be able to play JVR and Bobby on the same line.

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I feel like you should ask for Perry too, just to make sure Anaheim doesn't have any good players left.
Lol read the post.

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06-13-2012, 05:57 PM
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Lol read the post.
I did, but thanks for your concern.

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06-13-2012, 06:08 PM
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I would ask for JVR + Voracek for Bobby+(not Sbisa and not holland), so we are paying Sbisa+Holland for a backup goalie and UFA rights?

This is really bad

JVR+Voracek+Couturier


Bobby+Sbisa+Holland

Try that.

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06-13-2012, 06:10 PM
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I would ask for JVR + Voracek for Bobby+(not Sbisa and not holland), so we are paying Sbisa+Holland for a backup goalie and UFA rights?

This is really bad

JVR+Voracek+Couturier


Bobby+Sbisa+Holland

Try that.
Lol you aren't getting Cooter unless Perry is packing his bags. Schenn maybe.

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06-13-2012, 06:12 PM
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Lol you aren't getting Cooter unless Perry is packing his bags. Schenn maybe.
Thats fine because I'll stick with Bobby Sbisa and Holland. You guys started this horrible proposal and said "flame away" in the OP. Thats always a sign of good things to come.

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06-13-2012, 06:13 PM
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Palmieri + Sbisa + 1st

for

JVR + Voracek

JVR-Getzlaf-Perry
Voracek-Ryan-Selanne
Cogliano-Koivu-???

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06-13-2012, 06:14 PM
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Palmieri + Sbisa + 1st

for

JVR + Voracek

JVR-Getzlaf-Perry
Voracek-Ryan-Selanne
Cogliano-Koivu-???
I would do this.

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06-13-2012, 06:14 PM
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Why the **** would Anaheim do the OP?

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06-13-2012, 06:15 PM
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Replace Voracek with Read and our first round pick in the upcoming draft and I'm in.

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You've got to be ******** me?!

Why would the Ducks even consider this offer? Next.

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Lol seriously. How the hell does this help Anaheim? They downgrade at wing lose the only solid center prospect we have (on a team that is dire need of a center) and lose a young stud defenseman for what again?

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06-13-2012, 06:19 PM
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Palmieri + Sbisa + 1st

for

JVR + Voracek

JVR-Getzlaf-Perry
Voracek-Ryan-Selanne
Cogliano-Koivu-???
The Ducks aren't trading Sbisa. End of story. Unless you want to throw in a legit number 2 dman. The defense is bad enough as it is.

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The Ducks aren't trading Sbisa. End of story. Unless you want to throw in a legit number 2 dman. The defense is bad enough as it is.
Philly throws in the rights to Carle?

If needed, Anaheim throws in a 3rd?

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06-13-2012, 06:23 PM
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This sucks a lot for the Ducks. They get fleeced pretty hard.

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06-13-2012, 06:24 PM
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Lol you aren't getting Cooter unless Perry is packing his bags. Schenn maybe.
Perry's packing his bags to go to Hawaii

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06-13-2012, 06:26 PM
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Philly throws in the rights to Carle?

If needed, Anaheim throws in a 3rd?
No because Philly is resigning Carle. Plus I wouldn't call him a legit number 2. He's boarderline 2/3

I wish posters would read all the posts. A lot is explained above and why the Ducks wouldn't deal Sbisa or Holland and why Carle would be of no use, since he isn't going to be traded

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Greetings.

I was thinking of this trade proposal in which this might help out both teams. Feel free to scorch away.

To Philadelphia: Bobby Ryan, Luca Sbisa, Peter Holland
To Anaheim: James Van Riemsdyk, Jakub Voracek, Sergei Bobrovsky and the rights to Matt Carle

Anaheim still keeps a top line intact which will include Corey Perry / Ryan Getzlaf / Kyle Palmieri and a new second line with Van Reimsdyk and Voracek flanking the wings. As well, the Ducks get a young goaltender that can be groomed for the starter role and the rights to Matt Carle, who had played good hockey on the west coast with San Jose in his rookie year.

As for the Flyers, they get a potentially elite winger in Ryan who can be partnered with Giroux for the long haul. As well, they get a good young defenseman back who is familiar with the Flyers organization and is on the path to developing into a great top four defender. Finally, the Flyers get a good young player to start grooming around in Peter Holland.

Flame away.
Too many pieces, and this deal actually fails to address the need of either team.

Flyers don't need another center, and Anaheim does, so start by dropping Holland.

We are about to resign Carle, so trading him makes little sense. Leave him out.

Bobrovsky holds no value to Anaheim.

Sbisa is an important part of their core going forward, and would take a lot to pry away.

Counter proposal:

Voracek / JVR (Anaheim's choice)
Schenn
2012 1st (20th)
+ _____

for

Ryan
2012 1st (6th) [one of Dumba / Murray should be there]

I considered adding someone like Mezsaros (and a prospect from Anaheim), but that seemed too complicated. The restructured deal seems one piece light from Philadelphia's end. Thoughts?

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06-13-2012, 06:35 PM
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from a flyers perspective, I feel like this takes us a step back from winning the cup.

not crazy about holland tbh

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Too many pieces, and this deal actually fails to address the need of either team.

Flyers don't need another center, and Anaheim does, so start by dropping Holland.

We are about to resign Carle, so trading him makes little sense. Leave him out.

Bobrovsky holds no value to Anaheim.

Sbisa is an important part of their core going forward, and would take a lot to pry away.

Counter proposal:

Voracek / JVR (Anaheim's choice)
Schenn
2012 1st (20th)
+ _____

for

Ryan
2012 1st (6th) [one of Dumba / Murray should be there]

I considered adding someone like Mezsaros (and a prospect from Anaheim), but that seemed too complicated. The restructured deal seems one piece light from Philadelphia's end. Thoughts?
It's closer, but the Ducks would rather keep Bobby and get JVR. If Philly dropped Schenn and the Ducks replaced Bobby with Palmieri, I feel like the Ducks would be in. I know Philly wants Bobby so they can add another serious scorer, but the Ducks would be more hesitant to lose Bobby.

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Replace Voracek with Read and our first round pick in the upcoming draft and I'm in.
And you get laughed at even harder

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It's closer, but the Ducks would rather keep Bobby and get JVR. If Philly dropped Schenn and the Ducks replaced Bobby with Palmieri, I feel like the Ducks would be in. I know Philly wants Bobby so they can add another serious scorer, but the Ducks would be more hesitant to lose Bobby.
So JVR + 20th for Palmieri + 6th?

The value is probably fair, but the Flyers likely pass. The goal, I think, is to get a real first-line winger to go with Giroux. JVR is closer to that than Palmieri--though this would allow the Flyers to pick up a top-end defensive prospect.

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