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06-13-2012, 11:11 PM
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Yeah, the Rangers are not trading Girardi. People need to stop mentioning him in potential deals.
It's all predicated on signing Suter. It can be Staal if not Girardi, but I'd prefer to keep Staal. He's better. But Suter is better than both.

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People on here are complaining about affording just Nash. Now we want to get Ryan AND Suter? Suter himself is going to get a HUGE payday. and Ryan's cap hit I believe is around 5M.
The Rangers have the money to sign one big free agent. Fitting in Ryan wouldn't be difficult because you'd be trading salary away for him.

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Fair enough. I don't watch the blues at all so I don't know much about either, so I'll take your word for it.

I'd love Ryan.

I refuse to overpay in assets for Nash because if we get him, we're already overpaying him in terms of his contract.

But, I'd probably be willing to slightly overpay for Bobby Ryan because his contract is great.

I just can't see Anaheim trading him right now. Why would they? Even after a horrible start, and on a team that underachieved ridiculously, Ryan still finished with 31 goals and almost 60 points. And he's on a great contract for the next three years. Anaheim isn't going to be rebuilding. They should have a better year just because last year everything went wrong and they are a much better team than they played like the first half of last season. If they add a few pieces they could finish 4th-5th in the West, easily. I see no reason for them to trade Ryan right now.

If he were at all available, I'd go as much as...

Stepan, Del Zotto, Miller, 1st

A hard pill to swallow but I'd gladly do it. I think Ryan has a whole other level he hasn't even reached yet. He has the kind of skill/potential to take over and dominate games. I'd much rather take my chances on him than Rick Nash.
I'd rather trade Staal or Girardi than Stepan. Also, the Ducks have Fowler. Why are they going to want Del Zotto?

In general, I totally disagree about the Ducks. They have one of the worst groups of defensemen in the league, particularly in their own zone. They're not better than any of (depending on who wins big and loses big this summer) Vancouver, Los Angeles, St. Louis, Detroit, San Jose, Chicago, or Nashville, and I don't know that they're better than Phoenix or Colorado. Anaheim is a bubble team in the West, and their defense is going to look even worse if they lose Schultz for nothing. They are top-heavy at forward, and to achieve balance, they'll have to move one of their big guns for a package that fills a lot of their holes, and it would make zero sense to trade Getzlaf. I think Perry is a better fit with Getzlaf than Ryan. They also have some impressive young scorers coming up that could potentially replace Ryan.

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06-13-2012, 11:12 PM
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Just going to go on record saying I think McIlrath outplays Erixon in camp and beats him out for a spot, and because Schultz signs in Toronto, McIlrath plays RD with DZ on the third pair and after signing Suter, our D looks like this:

Staal Suter
McDonagh Girardi
Del Zotto McIlrath
Erixon
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06-13-2012, 11:13 PM
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It's all predicated on signing Suter. It can be Staal if not Girardi, but I'd prefer to keep Staal. He's better. But Suter is better than both.



The Rangers have the money to sign one big free agent. Fitting in Ryan wouldn't be difficult because you'd be trading salary away for him.



I'd rather trade Staal or Girardi than Stepan. Also, the Ducks have Fowler. Why are they going to want Del Zotto?

In general, I totally disagree about the Ducks. They have one of the worst groups of defensemen in the league, particularly in their own zone. They're not better than any of (depending on who wins big and loses big this summer) Vancouver, Los Angeles, St. Louis, Detroit, San Jose, Chicago, or Nashville, and I don't know that they're better than Phoenix or Colorado. Anaheim is a bubble team in the West, and their defense is going to look even worse if they lose Schultz for nothing. They are top-heavy at forward, and to achieve balance, they'll have to move one of their big guns for a package that fills a lot of their holes, and it would make zero sense to trade Getzlaf, and I think Perry is a better fit with Getzlaf than Ryan. They also have some impressive young scorers coming up that could potentially replace Ryan.
Valid points and well said. Agree with everything except I would not deal Staal for Ryan. Girardi, yes. Staal, no.

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06-13-2012, 11:15 PM
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Fair enough. I don't watch the blues at all so I don't know much about either, so I'll take your word for it.

I'd love Ryan.

I refuse to overpay in assets for Nash because if we get him, we're already overpaying him in terms of his contract.

But, I'd probably be willing to slightly overpay for Bobby Ryan because his contract is great.

I just can't see Anaheim trading him right now. Why would they? Even after a horrible start, and on a team that underachieved ridiculously, Ryan still finished with 31 goals and almost 60 points. And he's on a great contract for the next three years. Anaheim isn't going to be rebuilding. They should have a better year just because last year everything went wrong and they are a much better team than they played like the first half of last season. If they add a few pieces they could finish 4th-5th in the West, easily. I see no reason for them to trade Ryan right now.

If he were at all available, I'd go as much as...

Stepan, Del Zotto, Miller, 1st

A hard pill to swallow but I'd gladly do it. I think Ryan has a whole other level he hasn't even reached yet. He has the kind of skill/potential to take over and dominate games. I'd much rather take my chances on him than Rick Nash.
Totally agree. We only have enough assets for one big trade.

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06-13-2012, 11:15 PM
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Just going to go on record saying I think McIlrath outplays Erixon in camp and beats him out for a spot, and because Schultz signs in Toronto, McIlrath plays RD with DZ on the third pair and after signing Suter, our D looks like this:

Staal Suter
McDonagh Girardi
Del Zotto McIlrath
Erixon
Sauer(?)
Good luck with that. The only way McIlrath is in the NHL next season is playing incredibly sheltered minutes. As far as positioning and reading the play goes, he looks nowhere near NHL-ready.

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06-13-2012, 11:17 PM
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Girardi, Anisimov for Ryan
Sign Suter 14 years @ 6 mil cap-hit
Sign Schultz to ELC
Prust walks

My hopeful lineup:

Kreider Richards Gaborik
Dubinsky Stepan Ryan
Hagelin Miller Callahan
Rupp Boyle Mitchell

Staal Suter
McDonagh Schultz
Del Zotto McIlrath
Erixon
Sauer(?)

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06-13-2012, 11:18 PM
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Good luck with that. The only way McIlrath is in the NHL next season is playing incredibly sheltered minutes. As far as positioning and reading the play goes, he looks nowhere near NHL-ready.
I thought he looked surprisingly more ready than I expected in last years preseason. Still needed polishing, but maybe hes done that. Sometimes a year can make a huge difference.

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06-13-2012, 11:20 PM
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Good luck with that. The only way McIlrath is in the NHL next season is playing incredibly sheltered minutes. As far as positioning and reading the play goes, he looks nowhere near NHL-ready.
Better off with the whale for year or two.

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06-13-2012, 11:22 PM
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Trading our only signed right-handed defenseman? Ha! Girardi isn't going anywhere.

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06-13-2012, 11:23 PM
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i just dont see any way that small town Suter will sign here. He's not a target of mine.

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06-13-2012, 11:30 PM
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Rangers would be OK with Nash's contract for the next 3 years because Dubinsky and Hagelin's (not having to resign him) contracts would pretty much pay for almost all of Nash's cap hit.
You're short almost $3MM.

Dubi and Hagelin = $5.075 MM cap hit

Nash = $7.8 MM cap hit

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06-13-2012, 11:30 PM
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i just dont see any way that small town Suter will sign here. He's not a target of mine.
Yep, I agree completely.

Also, I don't see McIlrath being in the NHL before Erixon in a million years.

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06-13-2012, 11:39 PM
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To stray away from trades for a minute, I hope and pray we stay away from the Caps duo of Wideman and Semin in UFA.

If we do, it will prove that Sather has learned his UFA lesson.

And although Murray hasn't said Ryan is available, I think a change of scenery would be good for him. I just really can't think of a package I'd be happy giving up, considering they won't want MDZ ( and I want to hang on to Erixon, Staal, and Girardi).

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06-13-2012, 11:43 PM
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You're short almost $3MM.

Dubi and Hagelin = $5.075 MM cap hit

Nash = $7.8 MM cap hit
I'm assuming his next contract, Hagelin is going to get more than he's making now, somewhere in the 2M range, so that would put it closer to 1M short.

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06-13-2012, 11:44 PM
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People are dreaming about Suter signing here. 1. He doesn't like the big city. 2. The Rangers defense is already very good. and 3. We need to put our cap space into scoring, not defense.

Schultz is more likely to sign here.

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06-13-2012, 11:53 PM
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Trading our only signed right-handed defenseman? Ha! Girardi isn't going anywhere.
Thank you. Never mind that he is RH. He is not going anywhere. The guy is one of the best defensive defenseman in hockey, why would we trade him? And he's signed to a reasonable salary. Makes no sense.

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I don't think the Rangers will be in on either elite free agent but instead will spread their cash among 2, maybe 3 lesser players (with shorter contracts) who can fill a number of roles - right defenseman, preferably a veteran; someone who can shoot from the point; a faceoff specialist and some more sandpaper. Lots of possibilities.

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06-13-2012, 11:57 PM
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Would Semin even consider testing free agency?

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instead of trading Dubinsky or Anisimov to get another long term contract in Nash


id rather use Dubinsky or Anisimov if they can get another first round pick....like the Savard deal before he broke out....


any chance a teams offers a first round pick for dubinsky or Anisimov??? 10-15 range

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What about MDZ for a RD on Stl? That Shattenkirk would look good with staal.

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06-14-2012, 12:21 AM
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instead of trading Dubinsky or Anisimov to get another long term contract in Nash


id rather use Dubinsky or Anisimov if they can get another first round pick....like the Savard deal before he broke out....


any chance a teams offers a first round pick for dubinsky or Anisimov??? 10-15 range
I don't like this idea at all. We're not rebuilding; if we're trading away Dubi or AA, it's for help now.

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Realistically speaking, I don't think any trades are going down, nor any "big" UFA signings. No Nash, Parise, Ryan (who I want the most), or Suter.

Hudler, Gaustad, Kubina, Stoll, Smyth, and Konopka are all guys I would have no problem with, granted they come at the right price. Hudler's probably my #1 realistic UFA target right now. He would add something we desperately need: skill. He also doesn't disappear in the playoffs.

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instead of trading Dubinsky or Anisimov to get another long term contract in Nash


id rather use Dubinsky or Anisimov if they can get another first round pick....like the Savard deal before he broke out....


any chance a teams offers a first round pick for dubinsky or Anisimov??? 10-15 range
Those guys are good NHL depth forwards. And young. They might still pick it up a little, especially Anisimov, who I really like.

The average 10-15 pick develops into a good NHL depth forward, taking into account both stars and guys who disappear. We're not going to make any moves to deliberately get ourselves away from Richards and Hank's windows.

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Would Semin even consider testing free agency?
If he does i want no part of him, unless he signs for cheap which he wont .

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CBJ wanted something like Stepan or Hagelin + Kreider + Mcdongh/Del Zotto + a pick at the deadline IIRC.

I would absolutely take Kreider out.

So how about instead of Del Zotto, we include Erixon? Nash for Dubinsky, Hagelin, Erixon, and the 1st rd pick of this year? Dubinsky they like, Hagelin is a player with alot of skill and still very young a cheap, good player to rebuild with, Erixon is cheap to rebuild with. Rangers would be OK with Nash's contract for the next 3 years because Dubinsky and Hagelin's (not having to resign him) contracts would pretty much pay for almost all of Nash's cap hit.
i know columbus crashed and burned last year, but you're advocating trading away all of those pieces for a guy who has gone 30 and 30 his last 3 seasons. if dubinsky regains his game, he is capable of a 30 and 30 year himself. I don't see the point.

CBJ are treating it like they are dealing away a franchise player... and that just isn't Rick Nash anymore imho.

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