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06-13-2012, 07:19 PM
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The last person I remember saying something three times in succession was St. Peter. You all know how that one turned out.
Sorry, not my religion so I don't know how it turned out. Now back to the matter at hand.

I don't think Parise is playing games, I think he really wants to re-sign with the Devils and if that's not an option because of their financial situation (which I doubt because the Devils are much more marketable with Parise in the lineup and will do everything possible to get it done) he will go somewhere closer to home in the Midwest.

Ruling the Rangers out doesn't effect his ability to get a long term contract at a very favorable salary--he is the best forward out there and only 27 to boot--so I don't see why anyone should doubt what the guy is saying. But, hey, I'm sure there will be plenty of posters here who continue to pencil him into the Rangers lineup, at least for the next few weeks.

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06-13-2012, 07:29 PM
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The last person I remember saying something three times in succession was St. Peter. You all know how that one turned out.
The last person you remember saying something three times in succession is from 2000 years ago? You're not trying very hard.

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06-13-2012, 10:27 PM
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One thing is for sure, Parise isn't worth 7 mil per year, more like 5.5-6 mil.

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06-13-2012, 10:48 PM
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One thing is for sure, Parise isn't worth 7 mil per year, more like 5.5-6 mil.
Bingo!

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06-13-2012, 11:19 PM
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One thing is for sure, Parise isn't worth 7 mil per year, more like 5.5-6 mil.
Even if that's the case, he will easily get 7+ on the open market.

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06-14-2012, 08:14 AM
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One thing is for sure, Parise isn't worth 7 mil per year, more like 5.5-6 mil.
Parise has scored over 90 pts. and over 80 pts. in 2 of the last 3 seasons. The only way he's not "worth" $7MM+ is if you find out he's damaged goods following a season ending injury last year (which does not seem to be the case).

Add to that the fact that he's only 27 and the fact that he is by far the most talented forward available as a UFA this summer and you have the recipe for a huge contract.

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06-14-2012, 08:36 AM
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Parise has scored over 90 pts. and over 80 pts. in 2 of the last 3 seasons. The only way he's not "worth" $7MM+ is if you find out he's damaged goods following a season ending injury last year (which does not seem to be the case).

Add to that the fact that he's only 27 and the fact that he is by far the most talented forward available as a UFA this summer and you have the recipe for a huge contract.
agree with the above.

That said, not sure that Parise is what the Rangers need.

I think they need more pure offence from the LW spot.

I like the overall make up of the team in terms of leadership, but I feel we need more pure offence and Parise scores most of his goals on hard work and effort.

offensive talent, sniper ability.

While I would concede Parise is the better player, I think that Nash is a better fit.

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06-14-2012, 01:04 PM
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agree with the above.

That said, not sure that Parise is what the Rangers need.

I think they need more pure offence from the LW spot.

I like the overall make up of the team in terms of leadership, but I feel we need more pure offence and Parise scores most of his goals on hard work and effort.

offensive talent, sniper ability.

While I would concede Parise is the better player, I think that Nash is a better fit.
I don't really think there's a team in the NHL that doesn't get better with either player. If they were both UFA's, I wouldn't be against adding either.

When people bring up the skill vs. hard work argument, to me, the only skill that matters is the bottom line. If the guy is scoring 30 or 40 goals and getting over 40 assists, that's enough skill for me. I used to have this argument with a friend and I used to tell him, I want guys who help win hockey games, not skills competitions.

Last 3 full seasons:

Parise - 114 goals + 131 assists = 245 points

Nash - 95 goals + 67 assists = 162 points

And the disparity can't be blamed on linemates. In Parise's 94 pt. season he was playing mostly with Zajac and Gionta.

I think Parise is still underrated. has been ever since his draft year.

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06-14-2012, 01:08 PM
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Wow, Nash and Parise are two different kinds of players, how are you gonna compare their stats when they don't even score the same type of goals?

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06-14-2012, 01:38 PM
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Wow, Nash and Parise are two different kinds of players, how are you gonna compare their stats when they don't even score the same type of goals?
That doesn't make any sense at all. Are HL reel goals awarded extra bonus points or something? Goals are goals and they all count the same.

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06-14-2012, 02:35 PM
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That doesn't make any sense at all. Are HL reel goals awarded extra bonus points or something? Goals are goals and they all count the same.
Exactly. That might have been one of the dumbest things said on this board in a long time. When the playoffs come and Parise scores a garbage goal in ot im sure no one will care if it has a flare for the dramatics when were heading to the SCF

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06-14-2012, 02:50 PM
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06-14-2012, 03:22 PM
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Slats made the "we don't trade kids' comment after a GMs meeting. You get the feeling Sather spoke to Howson at that meeting and he demanded Kreider(again) plus others for Nash. The Columbus Dispatch beat writer Aaron Portzline in a chat today indicated the BJs don't want a D as the main piece coming back but a forward as the centerpiece. That's Kreider. Sather already offered them Miller. They want multiple forwards but they want a specific player as "the guy". The crowning piece.

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06-14-2012, 08:03 PM
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Perhaps the Rangers should get Semin. He is a pure sniper. Sure would wind up Torts!

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06-14-2012, 08:09 PM
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Perhaps the Rangers should get Semin. He is a pure sniper. Sure would wind up Torts!
Torts would have no hair by the end of game 1.


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06-14-2012, 08:24 PM
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I'd be lying if I said a wasn't disappointed after reading Parise's comments. But...I guess one sigh of relief would be that at least we as fans know that Sather can't grossly overpay for him.

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06-14-2012, 08:34 PM
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The more I think about the Nash situation, the more I think the Flyer rumors will win out and Nash joins Philly. It would be such a typical Flyer move and they have the assets. I wonder whether Holmgren parts with JVR, but if his health issues are resolved, JVR, Read and Bobrovsky would be a nice package. Columbus gets a "replacement" for Nash in JVR, another scoring winger in Read and they get a young goalie.

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06-14-2012, 08:41 PM
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The more I think about the Nash situation, the more I think the Flyer rumors will win out and Nash joins Philly. It would be such a typical Flyer move and they have the assets. I wonder whether Holmgren parts with JVR, but if his health issues are resolved, JVR, Read and Bobrovsky would be a nice package. Columbus gets a "replacement" for Nash in JVR, another scoring winger in Read and they get a young goalie.
I'd enjoy having JVR on NY.

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06-14-2012, 11:17 PM
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Parise is not a game breaker. You can't rely on "dirty" goals as much in the playoffs because the ice gets smaller, metaphorically speaking. Albeit he is very good at getting it in the net, it's the way he tends to get it in the net that makes me hesitant about him. He deflects, rebounds, etc. He doesn't make his own chances nearly as much as Nash for instance. We need someone who is talented enough to carry the puck by himself and is a big time sniper. That's what gets you through in the playoffs. I am in favor of Nash, at a reasonable price.

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That is the right price in my book. You NEVER get equal value for a superstar. With that said I think this is as fair of a deal Sather will offer. He's very high on Miller particularly. That's 3 first rounders and a guy who is worth a first rounder.

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Torts would have no hair by the end of game 1.

Really? Again, Semin played fine for Dale Hunter (similar system to Torts'). Backchecking, defensively responsible, still a threat on offense. What in the world makes you think it wouldn't work?

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In all honesty, I think we're likely to see a lineup like this to start the season:

Sign Semin
Sign Schultz

Kreider Richards Semin
Dubinsky Stepan Gaborik
Hagelin Anisimov Callahan
Rupp Boyle Prust
Mitchell

Staal Girardi
McDonagh Schultz
Del Zotto Erixon / McIlrath / Sauer / Stralman

Lundqvist
Biron

Then we re-evaluate our needs in January / February before the deadline and act accordingly.

And in all honesty, I'd be happy with that. Semin has been in Ovechkin's shadow his entire career. He could be the guy WE set up for one-timer after one-timer on the PP and he could score 40-50 playing with Richie and Kreids. I think his attitude/work ethic issues are overblown and he's maturing just like Kovalchuk is as he gets older. I'd give Semin a 3-4 year deal at 5 million cap-hit. I think that's fair for all parties involved.

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Really? Again, Semin played fine for Dale Hunter (similar system to Torts'). Backchecking, defensively responsible, still a threat on offense. What in the world makes you think it wouldn't work?
His offensive abilities are exactly what the Rangers need, but I'm not sure they'd even take a flyer on him.

He got paid $6.7 M this past season.

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His offensive abilities are exactly what the Rangers need, but I'm not sure they'd even take a flyer on him.

He got paid $6.7 M this past season.
He only scored 21 goals and 50-something points in the contract year. He can either take a 1year deal to try to up his value, or sign a 3-4 year deal at lower than he's actually worth. Either way works out well for the Rangers, IMO.

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His offensive abilities are exactly what the Rangers need, but I'm not sure they'd even take a flyer on him.

He got paid $6.7 M this past season.
I don't think there's a team out there that gives him that (no not even the Laffs). He should know he's getting a slight paycut...he didn't exactly have a banner year, so maybe down to $5M. Much higher than that and I wouldn't be comfortable.

To me, however, he showed something when he played under Hunter. If he was still floating around the defensive zone doing his best Wolski impression I wouldn't be interested, but I was impressed with his adaptability.

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I've been quiet on Semin. 2 to 3 year deal with a paycut. Doesn't pan out? Other teams will want.

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