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06-14-2012, 12:42 PM
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Why would he want to sign in Detroit of all places? I'd rather stay in Nashville.
I dont know. maybe because its, Detroit?
Yes I know they arent the top notch elite franchise the Flyers have

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06-14-2012, 12:42 PM
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I would give an awful lot for Shea Weber.

I would give up Couturier for him, but he would be the center piece and I would not include any one of JVR, Schenn or Voracek.

I would do any 2 of JVR/Schenn/Voracek plus an additional first, and if Nashville needed a dman I would include Mez if they wanted. 2 young top 6 NHL ready players (who may or may not have top line potential depending on who is evaluating) and the #20 (or next years first if we do it after the draft) and potentially a solid top 4 defensemen to help take the minutes vacated by Suter/Weber.

Shea Weber is just what this team and organization needs.

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06-14-2012, 12:44 PM
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So shocked...for whatever reason never felt this guy to be a Flyer anyway..same with Hamhuis.

Hope he enjoys Detroit and the depression there..... Heck he can buy Detroit if he wants to..whole place is in foreclosure! CIAO!

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06-14-2012, 12:48 PM
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Shea Weber is just what this team and organization needs.
Weber epitomizes Flyerhood.....although doubt that head smashing will be overlooked by Shanascam if he were to do it while on the Flyers....

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06-14-2012, 12:56 PM
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Why would he want to sign in Detroit of all places? I'd rather stay in Nashville.
Are you being serious? Detroit is an Original Six franchise where they are #1 in town and they are always competitive. They are easily one of the best run franchises in the league and it is a great hockey city. I see no reason why he wouldn't want to go to such a city and be their #1 defenseman.

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06-14-2012, 12:58 PM
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To be honest, I think it is best that Suter won't end up a Flyer. Weber is the type of guy to build our defense around, not Suter. It's better that we didn't pay this guy a ridiculous amount.

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06-14-2012, 01:05 PM
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Is it weird that the more I think about it, the more I see a move like JVR and Meszaros for JayBo and 2nd?

Timonen - Bouwmeester
Coburn - Grossmann
Bourdon - Carle

Or maybe JVR, Read, and a 1st for JayBo and a move up 5 spots to grab Ceci or Maatta?

Im not sure, but failing Weber it just seems like a move that has the Flyers written all over it.


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06-14-2012, 01:07 PM
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Is it weird that the more I think about it, the more I see a move like JVR and Meszaros for JayBo and 2nd.

Timonen - Bouwmeester
Coburn - Grossmann
Bourdon - Carle
Say no to JayBo. $6.7M cap hit, no thank you.

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06-14-2012, 01:09 PM
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Say no to JayBo. $6.7M cap hit, no thank you.
Didn't say I liked it. I just have a weird feeling.

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06-14-2012, 01:18 PM
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Didn't say I liked it. I just have a weird feeling.
From what I saw of him in Calgary he looked essentially looked like Coburn 2.0, and I'm not talking playoff Coburn either. So not a bad player, at all, but damn sure not someone I'd like to pay 6.7 million, and I certainly wouldn't want to part with assets to do it. I kinda see him as the Jeff Carter of defensemen (with a higher salary and lower BAC).

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06-14-2012, 01:28 PM
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. I kinda see him as the Jeff Carter of defensemen (with a higher salary and lower BAC).
Not good considering we need shots on net from the point.....especially with Carle and his pea shooter. Only Mesz has a decent shot back there. That was one of our problems against the Devils. They collapsed on our offense b/c we had no threats back on D offensively for the most part especially with a totally wrecked Timonen. Wish Coburn was more productive offensively like his first year but he's had to cover on D and compensate more than usual.

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06-14-2012, 01:33 PM
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Is it weird that the more I think about it, the more I see a move like JVR and Meszaros for JayBo and 2nd?

Timonen - Bouwmeester
Coburn - Grossmann
Bourdon - Carle

Or maybe JVR, Read, and a 1st for JayBo and a move up 5 spots to grab Ceci or Maatta?

Im not sure, but failing Weber it just seems like a move that has the Flyers written all over it.
No thank you.

Jaybo would be eaten alive in Philly.

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06-14-2012, 01:47 PM
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If JayBo returned to form I'd be ok with the deal. That is a lot of money to give to a defender who has not played great the last few years. TBH, I have only seen him play very limitedly over the past few years. Is he really that bad, or is he just overpaid. For instance, if he was making half his salary would it be a good deal or is he just awful?

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I personally don't mind the idea of Bouwmeester in Philadelphia. He tried to carry Florida on his shoulders and he was given a ludicrous contract offer from Calgary that he really couldn't turn down. I also think the years of losing are finally catching up with him which is why I think he turned in such an abysmal performance in Calgary last year. He needs a change of scenery and he could really flourish in Philadelphia, especially with the system that Laviolette uses and the emphasis placed on being able to skate. Bouwmeester would fit in like a glove here.

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06-14-2012, 01:58 PM
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I like JayBo because he wouldnt cost an arm and a leg like Weber.

I'd be very happy with a JayBo trade at the right cost.

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06-14-2012, 02:03 PM
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If JayBo returned to form I'd be ok with the deal. That is a lot of money to give to a defender who has not played great the last few years. TBH, I have only seen him play very limitedly over the past few years. Is he really that bad, or is he just overpaid. For instance, if he was making half his salary would it be a good deal or is he just awful?
IIRC he played a **** ton of minutes for the Flames, and didn't look like a train wreck obviously. He didn't look like a 7 million dollar playereither though when I saw him.

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06-14-2012, 02:07 PM
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I would take Jaybo on the cheap (ala Mez).

I would trade next years first and salary for him, that's all.

Question is, what salary do we have to trade? Briere is the only big cap hit that could go in return, but we all know he holds all the cards in any situation. Maybe Mez... or is that just a 2 million dollar extra lateral move? Or do we just not bring Carle back?

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Sheesh, homeboy is making almost 7 million. Makes Rick Nash at 8 million look like a steal. Granted, D is a position of need and it wouldn't take nearly as much in terms of assets and bodies to pry JayBo away like it will for Nash, so I digress.

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06-14-2012, 02:08 PM
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IIRC he played a **** ton of minutes for the Flames, and didn't look like a train wreck obviously. He didn't look like a 7 million dollar playereither though when I saw him.
I don't think Calgary emphasizes the skating game quite like we do either. Next to Meszaros, Grossmann, or Bourdon, his lack of a physical game could be overlooked. He has size, and we could always use a more offensive Coburn even at 6.68m. Would I give up JVR? I'm not sure, but I'd be surprised as hell if Holmgren, failing Weber and Suter, did not kick any tired in Calgary.

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06-14-2012, 02:14 PM
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I would take Jaybo on the cheap (ala Mez).

I would trade next years first and salary for him, that's all.

Question is, what salary do we have to trade? Briere is the only big cap hit that could go in return, but we all know he holds all the cards in any situation. Maybe Mez... or is that just a 2 million dollar extra lateral move? Or do we just not bring Carle back?
JayBo is an upgrade on Mezsaros--and Calgary might go for a swap, if we added something, to give themselves a bit more space to fix their (multiple) other problems.

JayBo is the defensive equivalent of Nash: he is not a bad player by any stretch; in fact, he's quite a good player. He just happens to be overpaid by about 1 million per year--which lessens his value (probably less than most HF posters believe).

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06-14-2012, 02:18 PM
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Mesz did have back surgery afterall this year...not sure how much teams are considering that including our own? Just a point.

I mean when we got Parent and there were concerns about his bulging disk it was blown off and people said it was manageable with PT but sure enough it screwed up his career down the line...

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JayBo is an upgrade on Mezsaros--and Calgary might go for a swap, if we added something, to give themselves a bit more space to fix their (multiple) other problems.

JayBo is the defensive equivalent of Nash: he is not a bad player by any stretch; in fact, he's quite a good player. He just happens to be overpaid by about 1 million per year--which lessens his value (probably less than most HF posters believe).
Not even close... JayBo is good, but Nash is way better.

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06-14-2012, 02:42 PM
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JayBo hasn't missed a game since the lockout.

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Not even close... JayBo is good, but Nash is way better.
Yeah, I meant they are in similar situations, not necessarily similar caliber players.

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JayBo hasn't missed a game since the lockout.
Then he shouldn't come to the Flyers....

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JayBo also hasn't missed a playoff game in his whole NHL career.

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