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My question is... instead of trading the 1st overall pick, just select the guy you want instead of who is projected to be 1st overall?
Does that make any sense? I don't see any reason why Edmonton and Columbus should trade picks, instead just let Edmonton select their player and let Columbus select Yakupov.
My question is... instead of trading the 1st overall pick, just select the guy you want instead of who is projected to be 1st overall?
Does that make any sense? I don't see any reason why Edmonton and Columbus should trade picks, instead just let Edmonton select their player and let Columbus select Yakupov.
Cause Nail is the clear cut #1 by a long shot by all accounts. The next best defenseman is not even in the same league. Comparisons of any of the Defense from this years draft to Larson who went 5th? last year put this years far far worse.
If Oiler draft a defenseman they will not be getting a top tier player like they would in Nail.
My question is... instead of trading the 1st overall pick, just select the guy you want instead of who is projected to be 1st overall?
Does that make any sense? I don't see any reason why Edmonton and Columbus should trade picks, instead just let Edmonton select their player and let Columbus select Yakupov.
Answer: Teams select best player available and not by position. Yakupov is the clear cut #1 player this draft and if EDM wants a Dman instead then they would trade down and pick up another great piece.
BOS had Bergeron and Krejci yet they selected Seguin over a Dman or a winger.
PHI selected Couturier even though they had Schenn, Giroux and Briere down the middle.
Answer: Teams select best player available and not by position. Yakupov is the clear cut #1 player this draft and if EDM wants a Dman instead then they would trade down and pick up another great piece.
BOS had Bergeron and Krejci yet they selected Seguin over a Dman or a winger.
PHI selected Couturier even though they had Schenn, Giroux and Briere down the middle.
Your thinking is flawed, big center-man are rare and you never pass them up when you have a chance, and this is the case in both situations. With Seguin he was also a right handed C which is more valuable and Couturier could play any line or in any situation.
If I had my choice to take Seguin or Couturier over Yakupov, I'll take Seguin or Couturier in a second, because they would be more help to my team over all.
As I noted above
Gardiner is just the Leafs 2012 version of previous can't miss untouchable future #1 defenseman like Aulie, Gunnarsson, Schenn, Stralman, White, ect.
Gardiner is a Tom Gilbert clone
Gardiner isn't anything like Gilbert, he's much more dynamic. I know that Leaf fans go overboard with their players a lot but this kid has the goods.
I happen to think that Gardiner + 5th is the type of deal that the Oilers should do but i don't see Burkie offering up that much.
Gardiner isn't anything like Gilbert, he's much more dynamic. I know that Leaf fans go overboard with their players a lot but this kid has the goods.
I happen to think that Gardiner + 5th is the type of deal that the Oilers should do but i don't see Burkie offering up that much.
Special teams are pretty much a wash with Gilbert getting slightly more at both ends. Gilbert is bigger but neither of them are "physical"
I'm sure some Leaf fans will respond with "you obviously never have watched Gardiner play...derp"
So if were to propose Tom Gilbert and the 5th(B.Schenn) in 2009 for Tavares do you think the Islanders would accept? I ****ing doubt it
Again, does nothing to help Boston and value isn't close.
Many Bruin fans wouldn't agree to a Hamilton for 1st overall in a 1 for 1 swap... just move on.
Teams don't make good partners.. yes, Boston has great players that would fit perfectly in edmonton.. thing is, they fit perfect in Boston too, so no need to move them when we need them ourselves in order to try and win another championship.
Cheers.
You're right about that trade doing nothing to help Boston, and youre right about Edmonton and Boston not making good partners, but you're wrong about anything else.
Boston fans can have all the opinions they want about how fantastic their players are. It doesnt mean those opinions are a reasonable measure of market value. Hamilton is a fantastic prospect and id love the Oil to have him, but I dont think he is worth more than Yakupov...
And coming from the fanbase that thinks Lucic is more valuable than Eberle, im taking everything from you with a grain of salt.
You're right about that trade doing nothing to help Boston, and youre right about Edmonton and Boston not making good partners, but you're wrong about anything else.
Boston fans can have all the opinions they want about how fantastic their players are. It doesnt mean those opinions are a reasonable measure of market value. Hamilton is a fantastic prospect and id love the Oil to have him, but I dont think he is worth more than Yakupov...
And coming from the fanbase that thinks Lucic is more valuable than Eberle, im taking everything from you with a grain of salt.
Really I can easily see how someone would value Lucic more then Eberle. Eberle did score 15 more points this past season then Lucic. Lucic has hit 60 points 2 season in a row with 30 and 28 goals. Offensively Eberle is better then Lucic. Lucic eventually being a 30 goal 75 point guy is not impossible. Eberle getting 35-40 goals and 90 points is not impossible either. You just have to look at the team and value the importance of the 15 points. Lucic is pretty much better at everything else and brings an element that Eberle will never bring. Lucic has an intimidation and physical factor Eberle will never have.
Lucic fits Boston perfectly. A team that needs a physical powerforward would value Lucic more then Eberle. It's not a slight on Eberle at all it comes down to team needs.
There are fewer players like Lucic in the league then there are Eberle style players.
Special teams are pretty much a wash with Gilbert getting slightly more at both ends. Gilbert is bigger but neither of them are "physical"
I'm sure some Leaf fans will respond with "you obviously never have watched Gardiner play...derp"
So if were to propose Tom Gilbert and the 5th(B.Schenn) in 2009 for Tavares do you think the Islanders would accept? I ****ing doubt it
Stop looking at statlines and watch the players play.
I'm an Oilers fan and i can see quite clearly that Gardiner is much more talented offensively than Gilbert. Gilbert's 45 pt season was a complete fluke anyway.
Also, the Tavares example is a poor one. Tavares was more highly touted than Yakupov is plus he's a center and Canadian so all those factors make his trade value (at the time he was drafted) higher than Yakupov now and i believe that Gardiner's value is higher now than Gilbert's was at that time so i would say that this trade is more than fair valuewise for the Oilers.
I know that some Oiler fans will disagree, i just think that Yakupov is being overvalued a bit.
Stop looking at statlines and watch the players play.
I'm an Oilers fan and i can see quite clearly that Gardiner is much more talented offensively than Gilbert. Gilbert's 45 pt season was a complete fluke anyway.
Also, the Tavares example is a poor one. Tavares was more highly touted than Yakupov is plus he's a center and Canadian so all those factors make his trade value (at the time he was drafted) higher than Yakupov now and i believe that Gardiner's value is higher now than Gilbert's was at that time so i would say that this trade is more than fair valuewise for the Oilers.
I know that some Oiler fans will disagree, i just think that Yakupov is being overvalued a bit.
Thats was too easy.....
I live in Canada, and we're forced to watch the Leafs almost once a week(HNIC)
I didn't bring up Gilberts sophomore season....you did. Apples vs. Apples or Facts vs. Opinions. Every year the Leafs have a defenseman thats a future all-star. Two years later its the coach, injuries, goaltending, ect that derailed their path to the HoF
Thats was too easy.....
I live in Canada, and we're forced to watch the Leafs almost once a week(HNIC)
I didn't bring up Gilberts sophomore season....you did. Apples vs. Apples or Facts vs. Opinions. Every year the Leafs have a defenseman thats a future all-star. Two years later its the coach, injuries, goaltending, ect that derailed their path to the HoF
I hear you, there have been a lot of Leafs players/prospects that have been overhyped over the years and perhaps Gardiner will be the next in line but IMO, i think that he's the real deal, i see him as a rich man's Petry.
I'm just saying that the Gilbert comparison is a poor one, totally different types of players.
