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06-14-2012, 07:31 PM
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You have to remember that Markus Granlund has benefited strongly from being in a same team with his brother. I don't see top 6 NHL potential in him unless he reaches his absolute upside.

That being said, we have forward prospects that could be used in a trade for JayBo + Granlund. Only untouchables at this point would obviously be Mikael Granlund and Charlie Coyle but in addition to those, we have several forward prospects that all have a top-6 or top-9 upside, including:

- Zack Phillips, playmaking C with good hands and good vision but he is a bit slow. Projected to be an NHL level top 6 center.
- Jason Zucker, fast winger with a good shot and some grit as well. Not afraid to go to the dirty areas. Appeared in a couple of NHL games last season and didn't do too badly considering that he was playing in a shutdown line most of the time.
- Brett Bulmer, feisty winger with a good size and a mean streak. Projected to be a 3rd line agitator/grinder but he possesses some skill and decent wheels as well. Appeared in 9 NHL games last season.
- Mario Lucia, winger with a good size and a good shot. A long shot to make NHL but he has top-6 upside due to his size and his shooting ability as well as decent playmaking skills.

We don't really have any tradeable assets in our D as that's our main need, too.

I could see something like:



Cal Clutterbuck
Zack Phillips



Jay Bouwmeester
Markus Granlund

Value-wise I think that's pretty fair. As of team needs, well, I'm not sure how Flames would see that but Phillips is definitely closer to NHL than Granlund and he has better upside as well. We both know that Mikael Granlund won't be traded from Minnesota barring gross overpayment and it would benefit both of them if they played in the same team. As I said, while Markus was a 2nd round pick, there are questions about his ability to raise his game to NHL level and he definitely needs at the very least two seasons before even having a shot at making an NHL roster.
Personally I wouldn't move Jbo unless it solves our center issue. Clutterbuck is a great third liner but we can't risk a top 4 defense of
Gio - Butler
Brodie - Babchuck

Either we need a top 6 centerman or a young centerman and a young defenseman.


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06-14-2012, 07:48 PM
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Eklund saying Philly and Montreal really interested in Jay Bouwmeester.

"The Flyers, Canadiens, Capitals, and Hurricanes all may have interest in Jay Bouwmeester".

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklun...s-Iggy/1/44944

A couple of weeks before the trade deadline Eklund said that the Leafs had got their man (a big time #1 centre) and that the deal was done, all that was left was to write it up and submit it to the league. Well we're still waiting for that one aren't we? Most of what I see from him is long on generalities and short on specifics. The guy has no credibility.

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06-14-2012, 10:05 PM
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Subban probably.

Gorges possibly.

Markov? He can't even stay healthy for a week.
Huge Bias here, JayBo would daily be your best D-man. His Skating is elite, Subban may possibly be near that level but Gorges is far off.

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06-14-2012, 10:08 PM
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I've always liked Bouwmeester but if he doesn't care for the limelight in Calgary, he'll have a nervous breakdown in Montreal.

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06-14-2012, 10:43 PM
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Huge Bias here, JayBo would daily be your best D-man. His Skating is elite, Subban may possibly be near that level but Gorges is far off.
I'd rather have JayBo than Kaberle but that's about it.

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06-15-2012, 12:58 AM
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Hell no!!

The Stay Puft Marshmallow Man is the last thing we need on the Philly blueline.

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06-15-2012, 04:49 AM
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Plekanec for Jay Bo /2nd , let Eller boom or bust.

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06-15-2012, 04:57 AM
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Plekanec for Jay Bo /2nd , let Eller boom or bust.
Only if they take Gomez too in this deal.Pleks is still quite valuable to us.
J-Bow would end up being our # 4 behind P.K,Gorges and Markov.Hell Kab and J-Bow would end up fighting for the 4th spot.Just imagine having two Stay Puft Marshmallow Man in our lineup making that much money.
Pleks would be an overpayment.

Something around Kabs and the Preds 2nd rd pick for J-Bow sounds about as fair as it gets.

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Plekanec for Jay Bo /2nd , let Eller boom or bust.
Not a chance.

At this point Plekanec is hardly an upgrade (if at all) on Olli Jokinen, who we could retain without giving up our best defender and a decent draft pick.

There is literally nothing on the Montreal roster that I would trade Bouwmeester for outside of Price, Subban or Pacioretty which is obviously not going to happen.

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06-15-2012, 06:06 AM
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Only if they take Gomez too in this deal.Pleks is still quite valuable to us.
J-Bow would end up being our # 4 behind P.K,Gorges and Markov.Hell Kab and J-Bow would end up fighting for the 4th spot.Just imagine having two Stay Puft Marshmallow Man in our lineup making that much money.
Pleks would be an overpayment.

Something around Kabs and the Preds 2nd rd pick for J-Bow sounds about as fair as it gets.
Well since you posted this quote below in the Curtis Glencross to Montreal thread;

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Will i guess his value to MONTREAL isn't that high since we are all laughing at what you would want for him. And since there is nothing else of interest on the Flames worth trading for i guess we are as good as done here.
I thought it would be fitting to end this thread by saying...

Well I guess Bouwmeester's value to CALGARY is far more than you assume it is seeing as we are all laughing at what you just proposed for him. And since there is nothing else of interest on Montreal worth trading for I guess we are as good as done here.

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06-15-2012, 06:27 AM
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I'm sure he just plucked this rumour straight from me, when I was mentioning that the flyers "should" have a great deal of interest in JayBo

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06-15-2012, 08:03 AM
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MTL fans, get over it. No one is taking Gomez in any deal. Unless you trade him to the Isles for DiPietro.

Comparing the JBo contract to the Gomez one is ridiculous. They are not even close.

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I'm sure he just plucked this rumour straight from me, when I was mentioning that the flyers "should" have a great deal of interest in JayBo
haha yeah I remember just seeing that on the Flyers board and then the next day this is up.

I certainly wouldn't mind him at all on the Flyers. I am sure the player going back would have to be Schenn though if they are looking to pick up a center. I don't see Briere being traded or even him waiving his ntc. Outside of Briere the only center that could be traded with some salary is Schenn though I would hate to give up on Schenn's potential and grit. On the other hand the Flyers DO need a top D on their team.

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The Flames would have no problem taking salary back, that salary needs to be in the form of a top 6 center.
No one is giving a top6 forward for Bouwmeester, much less a center.

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No one is giving a top6 forward for Bouwmeester, much less a center.
...if Bouwmeester is available, yes - yes they would.

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...if Bouwmeester is available, yes - yes they would.
Convincing argument. I fail to see any time giving a top6 forward for a $6.7M cap hit #2-3-4 D with 0 playoff games under his belt after many years in the league. Top6 centres are the most sought after asset in the league, Bouwmeester isn't. They won't be involved in a 1v1 swap.

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I think its the intangibles that trouble people as much as anything else.
Huge salary, never been to the playoffs, he sounds to be lesser the bigger the games....

i thought he'd be a nice pick up for Ottawa despite his cap hit (or because ottawa could easily absorb it) and was then treated to a lengthy lecture from guys who watch him play a fair amount i guess, and they simply didnt want him on the team, regardless of the deal.

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Convincing argument. I fail to see any time giving a top6 forward for a $6.7M cap hit #2-3-4 D with 0 playoff games under his belt after many years in the league. Top6 centres are the most sought after asset in the league, Bouwmeester isn't. They won't be involved in a 1v1 swap.
Warren Peters? He was at one point our #1 center last year.

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Huge salary, never been to the playoffs, he sounds to be lesser the bigger the games....
This and compare his Corsi Rel with other top defensemen it simply does not come out favorably for JayBo.

Heck, he was 4th out of 5 Calgary defenseman playing at least 60 games last season.

http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stati...52+53+54+55+56

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...if Bouwmeester is available, yes - yes they would.
That doesn't mean you'll get anything in value in return. Bourque and Cammalleri are top 6 forwards, if you're happy with that kind of return, then yes, you can get a top 6 forward.

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Don't have a dog in this fight, but for the record, he played tough minutes last year.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/11...ts_2011-12.pdf

Check out where he is on the Carlgary graph.

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Huge Bias here, JayBo would daily be your best D-man. His Skating is elite, Subban may possibly be near that level but Gorges is far off.
The Jaybo of 4 years ago would have been our best d-man of today. However, Jaybo of today can not hold Subban's jockstrap. Subban had more points, hits, almost as many blocked shots, a better giveaway to takeaway ratio and a better +/- than Jaybo last season. Hooray, Jaybo has elite skating. He has nothing else compared to Subban. Oh, Jaybo does have a far worse contract at 6.68 million than Subban does.

Gorges is far better than Jaybo at everything other than scoring.

Markov is arguably better depending upon whether or not he is healthy. If he is healthy, Markov is better. If he is not healthy, Jaybo is better.

So, you want us to trade for a 6.68 million dollar #4 defenceman?? You better be taking some salary back, friend. Jaybo is #1 on your team. That does not make him #1 on every other team. In Montreal he would be second pairing at best. That is not what you spend 6.68 million dollars on. Gainey is no longer running this club, friend, go fleece some other sucker and learn a little something about a team before you trash its players. Jaybo would be our best defenceman with Subban "possibly near" him and Gorges is "far off". What a pathetic joke.

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06-15-2012, 02:52 PM
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Bouwmeester can't even handle the pressure of Calgary. He'd be eaten alive in Montreal, and we don't want him anyway, not with that contract.

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The Jaybo of 4 years ago would have been our best d-man of today. However, Jaybo of today can not hold Subban's jockstrap. Subban had more points, hits, almost as many blocked shots, a better giveaway to takeaway ratio and a better +/- than Jaybo last season. Hooray, Jaybo has elite skating. He has nothing else compared to Subban. Oh, Jaybo does have a far worse contract at 6.68 million than Subban does.

Gorges is far better than Jaybo at everything other than scoring.

Markov is arguably better depending upon whether or not he is healthy. If he is healthy, Markov is better. If he is not healthy, Jaybo is better.

So, you want us to trade for a 6.68 million dollar #4 defenceman?? You better be taking some salary back, friend. Jaybo is #1 on your team. That does not make him #1 on every other team. In Montreal he would be second pairing at best. That is not what you spend 6.68 million dollars on. Gainey is no longer running this club, friend, go fleece some other sucker and learn a little something about a team before you trash its players. Jaybo would be our best defenceman with Subban "possibly near" him and Gorges is "far off". What a pathetic joke.
ah right the whole lets judge a defenseman based on stats argument.

Bouwmeester is not the same defenseman he was when he came to Calgary. Contrary to HF belief Bouwmeester developed into a defensive shut down defenseman while in Calgary. Just because his offensive stats dipped because of his role does not be all of his game stagnated. Anyone watching Bouwmeester game in and game out saw alot of progression in his defensive game.

Also note, that most of us do not want to trade Bouwmeester, only a handful of Flames fans do, they are also the same ones that trash Iginla at every turn.

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Bouwmeester can't even handle the pressure of Calgary. He'd be eaten alive in Montreal, and we don't want him anyway, not with that contract.
That fine, most of us have no desire to trade him.

Note the rumor is teams are going after Bouwmeester, not that he is being shopped.

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