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06-15-2012, 02:36 PM
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Now wait a minute.... I thought Nail was a franchise player.

Sorry, I'm being vindictive right now. Not towards you but some of the Edmonton fans who believe it would take Johansen and #2 just to move up to #1. I have been labeled as a sore loser of the draft lottery since suggesting that the CBJ may not feel Yakupov is the top player (even though I've made my point before the lottery and suggested trading down from #1 would be a better option this draft). I prefer Galchenyuk but by no means would I be disappointed with Yakupov. I think this simply strengthens the argument that the top 5 or so players are really interchangeable depending on what a team wants.

As to the OP, CBJ won't move down beyond #5 unless something really good comes their way (unlikely to happen this year). I think a draft move could also be dictated by what happens with Nash.
Don't you understand? We're all sore losers ever since the wild fantasy of "if we win the lottery we can get our defenseman and Johansen too!" was cruelly and repeatedly shot down. It's SCIENCE.

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06-15-2012, 02:38 PM
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If Howson pulls an 08Garth Snow, he should be drug out and stoned in the center of Columbus!


Really? 5th in the league in Goals per Game and you're not scoring enough?

http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm...ewName=summary

Yeah,Snow's really unhappy with his 2008 draft.
in 2008 Snow came away with

Bailey:NYI roster
Hamonic:NYI roster
Martin:NYI roster
Donovan:2nd best blueline prospect.#3 potential.Expected to compete for Isles spot next season
Ness:expected to compete for Isles roster spot next season.
Ullstrom:split time between ahl+ NYI.expected to be on NYI roster next season.
Poulinne of the team's top goalie prospects.Will compete for #2 spot on NYI for next season.
Petrov:Isles tried and failed to lure him over.Playing in the KHL
Spurgeon:lost in a numbers game.Playing on the Wild roster

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06-15-2012, 02:54 PM
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Are Columbus fans expecting Nash to be dealt, during draft weekend?
I think he'll be dealt before the draft or very early durign the 1st round. If not, I have no idea when this merry-go-round stops. Like so many others, I want off. I want to know what happens but this isn't the thread for that. I do think he gets dealt and it will be before the draft.

Toronto and Carolina are two potential destinations and both have top 10 picks this year. That might dictate who Columbus takes where and what they do with the 2nd overall. If they get Carolina's pick at #8, who's to say they don't move the #2 for JVR and #20? (Not sure I'd do it but I've seen it thrown up there in other threads).

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06-15-2012, 03:16 PM
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Yeah,Snow's really unhappy with his 2008 draft.
in 2008 Snow came away with

Bailey:NYI roster
Hamonic:NYI roster
Martin:NYI roster
Donovan:2nd best blueline prospect.#3 potential.Expected to compete for Isles spot next season
Ness:expected to compete for Isles roster spot next season.
Ullstrom:split time between ahl+ NYI.expected to be on NYI roster next season.
Poulinne of the team's top goalie prospects.Will compete for #2 spot on NYI for next season.
Petrov:Isles tried and failed to lure him over.Playing in the KHL
Spurgeon:lost in a numbers game.Playing on the Wild roster
lmao. and hows islanders doing with that roster??

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06-15-2012, 03:24 PM
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lmao. and hows islanders doing with that roster??
They are waiting for their owner to stop his salary cap tricks and at least spend to the cap floor.

This season's cap floor was $46m-$48m.The isles actual payroll was $36m after excluding buyouts and unearned ELC bonuses.

Don't confuse bad drafting, with refusing to spend and surround young talent,with needed support.

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06-15-2012, 03:27 PM
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I think he'll be dealt before the draft or very early durign the 1st round. If not, I have no idea when this merry-go-round stops. Like so many others, I want off. I want to know what happens but this isn't the thread for that. I do think he gets dealt and it will be before the draft.

Toronto and Carolina are two potential destinations and both have top 10 picks this year. That might dictate who Columbus takes where and what they do with the 2nd overall. If they get Carolina's pick at #8, who's to say they don't move the #2 for JVR and #20? (Not sure I'd do it but I've seen it thrown up there in other threads).
It makes some sense to move him for a 1st+ young talent now.Before he has a chance, to help his new team in the standings,lowering a future 1st rounder.

I just hope your gm keeps him out west.

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lmao. and hows islanders doing with that roster??
a lot better than the Leafs have done with their in that time

Back on topic, methinks Columbus want Forsberg and know they can trade down a bit to get him. Toronto will probably make the move to secure Galchenyuk.

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lmao. and hows islanders doing with that roster??
Just barely worse than the Leafs, who have one of the highest payrolls in the NHL.

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Schneider for the 2nd overall pick...let's get it done?

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Just barely worse than the Leafs, who have one of the highest payrolls in the NHL.
Good point...

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Schneider for the 2nd overall pick...let's get it done?
That would shock the heck out of me.

Schneider is just too close to becoming a ufa,to make it worth losing 2nd overall.

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Schneider for the 2nd overall pick...let's get it done?
Been widely discussed on the CBJ boards and we mostly agree that he is not worth that. He just isn't proven enough for that. I'd rather the Jackets get anyone else for a lower price, or at least a proven NHL starter for the pick. He just is not worth it.

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Don't you understand? We're all sore losers ever since the wild fantasy of "if we win the lottery we can get our defenseman and Johansen too!" was cruelly and repeatedly shot down. It's SCIENCE.
Get over yourself. Most Oiler fans don't want anything to do with trading the 1st overall and your overrated prospect as the centre piece

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Schneider for the 2nd overall pick...let's get it done?
I honestly dont thinhk he has any more value than a high second rounder or very late first rounder,something like #27-34.

He has been good in big games but hasnt shown game steal capability...yet. He hasnt shown he can handle the long season grind as the #1 starter...Yet. But biggest detractor for teams is that he only has 1 year left untill he is a UFA.

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Schneider for the 2nd overall pick...let's get it done?
For the love of all things holy... please stop. We've been through this on every Columbus thread - mains, CBJ forum, draft forum... It's been hashed through enough. It's not happening. I love the effort but can we please talk about something else.

And don't say Nash for Luongo or Viqsi will come burn you....

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Yeah,Snow's really unhappy with his 2008 draft.
in 2008 Snow came away with

Bailey:NYI roster
Hamonic:NYI roster
Martin:NYI roster
Donovan:2nd best blueline prospect.#3 potential.Expected to compete for Isles spot next season
Ness:expected to compete for Isles roster spot next season.
Ullstrom:split time between ahl+ NYI.expected to be on NYI roster next season.
Poulinne of the team's top goalie prospects.Will compete for #2 spot on NYI for next season.
Petrov:Isles tried and failed to lure him over.Playing in the KHL
Spurgeon:lost in a numbers game.Playing on the Wild roster
Niemi,D.Toews,C.Trivino

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I'm sure Burkie would love to pull off the necessary moves to get his hands on the #1and #2 picks respectively.

Pull what he did in BC with the Sedins this year and draft for TO Yakupov and Gally who play together and have great chemistry.

I would love the Habs to try that and stick it to TO at the same time.

Trade Subban + a 3rd rounder (not 3rd OA pick) to EDM for #1 pick.

Then trade their #3 + Webber + Paluchaj (cusp of the nhl players) to Columbus for the #2.

Draft Yaks and Gally 1 and 2.

Shooting this out there for $h|+S and giggles!!

But in all seriousness I don't see any of the picks moving unless someone wants a specific player very badly. And the only possible scenario I see is Toronto being very high on Gally and trying to make a move with Columbus.

Hell, if both Grigs and Gally are available at #3, I would trade down with TO if they want Gally that bad.

Schenn + 5th for 3rd + mid prospect. Why not?!

Then I hope that NYI doesn't draft Grigs at 4 and we pick him at 5 and we're laughing!

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Been widely discussed on the CBJ boards and we mostly agree that he is not worth that. He just isn't proven enough for that. I'd rather the Jackets get anyone else for a lower price, or at least a proven NHL starter for the pick. He just is not worth it.

Not than I think VAN should trade Schneider but CBJ fans really don't think he's more proven than a player who hasn't played a single shift in the NHL?

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Not than I think VAN should trade Schneider but CBJ fans really don't think he's more proven than a player who hasn't played a single shift in the NHL?
Higher risk on an unproven goalie than a skater.

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This was proposed on the 1st overall thread but could work for the 2nd as well.

To Dallas: 2nd overall

To Columbus: 13th overall, Kari Lehtonen

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What about 2nd OV for 4th OV, Anders Lee and a 3rd round pick?

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Get over yourself. Most Oiler fans don't want anything to do with trading the 1st overall and your overrated prospect as the centre piece
You're right, the unreachable grapes are undoubtedly sour. Otherwise, they'd be reachable.

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This was proposed on the 1st overall thread but could work for the 2nd as well.

To Dallas: 2nd overall

To Columbus: 13th overall, Kari Lehtonen
I find his prior injury history worrisome, personally. Otherwise... enh. Maybe.

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What about 2nd OV for 4th OV, Anders Lee and a 3rd round pick?
Don't need more center prospects unless they have likely #1C upside - and obviously that's not something we're going to get trading down two spots.

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I honestly dont thinhk he has any more value than a high second rounder or very late first rounder,something like #27-34.

He has been good in big games but hasnt shown game steal capability...yet. He hasnt shown he can handle the long season grind as the #1 starter...Yet. But biggest detractor for teams is that he only has 1 year left untill he is a UFA.
I respect your opinion, but this is just flat our wrong. He's done it for us a couple-few times this season alone.

Either way I think we're holding onto Schneider.

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I sense Burke trying to get numbers 1 and 2.
Sure. Just like he tried to get Tavares. I just don't see it happening.

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Sure. Just like he tried to get Tavares. I just don't see it happening.
Well he did say "trying" so I'm sure he's right, Burke will try to make a big splash...in the end I think he'll settle with movin up to 2nd as I think the Leafs and Habs are both targetting Galchenyuk.

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