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06-15-2012, 04:11 PM
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Top 120 rankings

I have just finalized my draft rankings, and figured I'd post it here if that's okay. I worked with TSN and McKeen's this year, and while I didn't get at the rankings seriously until December, I think I've come up with a list that I'm comfortable publishing.

I don't get to see all of the top prospects live, so I rely on some help from some of my scouting contacts to help fill in the blanks. Sort of a hybrid of what Bob McKenzie and Craig Button do in compiling their rankings. I will be available to answer some questions on occasion over the next week.

Galchenyuk
Teravainen
Yakupov
Dumba
Forsberg
Murray
Reinhart
Rielly
Grigorenko
Trouba

Lindholm
Collberg
Ceci
Maatta
Pouliot
Faksa
Laughton
Wilson
Koekkoek
Vasilevski

Gaunce
Girgensons
Finn
Skjei
Subban
Hertl
Samuelsson
Aberg
Matteau
Matheson


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Di Giuseppe
Sissons
Bozon
Dansk
Sieloff
Nieves
Jankowski
Karlsson
Thrower
Kerdiles

Kosmachuk
Hart
Pokka
Korpisalo
Sutter
Frk
Pearson
Vail
Maidens
Schmaltz

Bystrom
T. Carrick
Bleugers
Severson
Zharkov
Kulak
Johnson
Paterson
Kurker
Pelech

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Slepyshev
Winther
Makarov
D Shore
Lindell
Murray
Stepan
G. Smith
MacEachern
Whitney


Richard
Hodges
Ikonen
Roy
Vainonen
Athanasiou
Gillies
Stephenson
Tremblay
Bussieres


Melindy
Clarke
Fox
Prokhorin
Q Shore
Tikkinen
Andersson
McCabe
Canlan
Houser


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Tierney
Lalancette
Bourke
Hudon
Paquette
C. Carrick
Troock
Marcantuoni
Culkin
Hyka

Iafrate
Mallet
Vesey
Beauvillier
Devlin
Gusev
Duane
Gordon
Dotchin
Draeger

Rupert
Stolarz
Nelson
Stromwall
Fournier
Djoos
Barber
Bertschy
Zlobin
Lane

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06-15-2012, 04:13 PM
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Grant Thank you, this is gold, pure gold

Edit: I suppose I'll start, do you feel Teravainen has franchise player level skill? What can we expect from him? Does he have any similarities to Mikael Granlund? What style does he play according to you

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06-15-2012, 04:14 PM
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Solid list, Grant. I would have Reinhart below Grigs, Trouba and Rielly.. but other than that, looks on par with what I think (I have Yakupov 1st like many, though).

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06-15-2012, 04:19 PM
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Thanks for posting the list, but I really can't wrap my head around Galchenyuk going up in the rankings after missing the season. Especially with some of the other pre-season top prospects (Yakupov, Dumba...) progressing nicely.

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06-15-2012, 04:28 PM
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Thank you for showing us this, solid list. I agree with most of the top though I have Yakupov and Forsberg higher.

Surprised to see Lindholm ahead of Ceci and Maatta, but I guess he has a higher ceiling vs two safer picks.

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Are Slepyshev and Prokhorin that low due to Russian factor?

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06-15-2012, 05:17 PM
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If we walk out of the draft with:

#3 - Yakupov
#33 - Jankovski/Nieves/Dansk
#51 - Bystrom/Blugers
#64 - D.Shore/Lindell

I will be pleased.

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If we walk out of the draft with:

#3 - Yakupov
#33 - Jankovski/Nieves/Dansk
#51 - Bystrom/Blugers/
#64 - D.Shore/Lindell

I will be pleased.
If we walk out of the draft with Yakupov and nobody else, I'd be pleased.

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06-15-2012, 05:24 PM
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If we walk out of the draft with:

#3 - Yakupov
#33 - Jankovski/Nieves/Dansk
#51 - Bystrom/Blugers
#64 - D.Shore/Lindell

I will be pleased.
I'd be furious. Where are the quebecois???

As for the list, different for sure. Didn't expect TT at #2 and didn't expect Yakupov at #3.

What basis is there to give Galchenyuk #1? Considering he barely played, is there something that was oustanding or caught your eye Grant?

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I think I speak for a lot of people when I say, "Teravainen"?? As a Habs fan whose favourite number is now 3, what did this player do to step up so much higher than expected?

And what did Grigorenko NOT do to slip down a few notches?

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I think I speak for a lot of people when I say, "Teravainen"?? As a Habs fan whose favourite number is now 3, what did this player do to step up so much higher than expected?

And what did Grigorenko NOT do to slip down a few notches?
Didn't Grigo have mono? I mean, seems like he's prob a top 3 talent in the draft and if habs are going for star players, he's probably one of those with that potential. Although many have question marks, I would not have any problem if Timmins took him.

Considering Grant knows timmins and they speak on occasion, I would not be surprised if they think alike. There was rumours Timmins was high on TT as well.

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06-15-2012, 05:34 PM
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If we walk out of the draft with:

#3 - Yakupov
#33 - Jankovski/Nieves/Dansk
#51 - Bystrom/Blugers
#64 - D.Shore/Lindell

I will be pleased.
With all the recent changes, trust me, there will be a Quebecois in this list.

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I think I speak for a lot of people when I say, "Teravainen"?? As a Habs fan whose favourite number is now 3, what did this player do to step up so much higher than expected?

And what did Grigorenko NOT do to slip down a few notches?
Tervainen looked like he belonged playing against men in the SM-liiga playoffs. His development so far has been one way - he was a noticeably better player at the end of the season than he was at the beginning. He's also among the most skilled in the draft.

Grigorenko had a poor playoffs, and poor second half of the season in general. It might not be his fault (we don't know how sick/injured he was, and at what times), but there are questions.

Really when it comes to Grigorenko, it seems most of the draft pundits are split between putting him as a runner for the best player in the draft, and those who keep him far away from the top 3. But TT has done nothing but rise in virtually every mock draft. Most don't rate him as highly as Grant, but he's getting Granlund and even Giroux comparisons for a reason.

I think Teravainen has risks himself (not necessarily his size, but until this year there was questions about his intensity) but his rise is not hype based on one tournament.

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Thank you.

Much appreciated

Edit: Me want Bozon! Big times!

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Yakupov is Russian, 5-10 1/2, missed time at season's end due to a concussion and had a very mediocre playoff. If I'm an NHL GM I have some doubts about picking him number one...serious doubts. I don't think, at the end of the day, I could take that risk.

As far as I'm aware Gachenyuk's only real drawback entering the draft is the knee injury, but he looked fine when he returned, hasn;t lost a step from what I've seen.

Maybe I'm wrong about TT, but for me the two most valuable positions on a hockey team are first-line center and number one defenceman. I am of the opinion that Galchenyuk and Teravainen are the only two players in this draft with that potential, along with Dumba perhaps..but I have some minor issues with Dumba's defensive game at this point.

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Yakupov is Russian, 5-10 1/2, missed time at season's end due to a concussion and had a very mediocre playoff. If I'm an NHL GM I have some doubts about picking him number one...serious doubts. I don't think, at the end of the day, I could take that risk.

As far as I'm aware Gachenyuk's only real drawback entering the draft is the knee injury, but he looked fine when he returned, hasn;t lost a step from what I've seen.

Maybe I'm wrong about TT, but for me the two most valuable positions on a hockey team are first-line center and number one defenceman. I am of the opinion that Galchenyuk and Teravainen are the only two players in this draft with that potential, along with Dumba perhaps..but I have some minor issues with Dumba's defensive game at this point.
If no Gally, I want TT.

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If no Gally, I want TT.
I thought that you want Forsberg if Galchenyuk was gone.

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Isn't TT a winger?

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Isn't TT a winger?
He'll be playing Centre in finland next year.

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I thought that you want Forsberg if Galchenyuk was gone.
Forsberg or TT is the next on my list. Logically they will take Forsberg. I think TT might have the higher offensive upside but lacking in the physical department that Forsberg can bring.

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If Yakupov falls to 3 we might indeed receive some very nice offers for our pick..

I do understand the poor playoff performance but I do question how much of it could be related to the fact the he migth not have fully recuperate from his concussion...

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He projects to be a center. One scout told me he is the epitome of a natural center given the way he sees the ice. His GM Jarmo Kekaleinen sees him as a center.

He has some growing up to do - very immature physically. It may be four or five years before you see his full potential at the NHL level, but he might be a very dynamic center some day.

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Yakupov at 3rd? Interesting.

This news about Columbus looking to trade down scares me a bit. Hoping that doesn't happen.

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He projects to be a center. One scout told me he is the epitome of a natural center given the way he sees the ice. His GM Jarmo Kekaleinen sees him as a center.

He has some growing up to do - very immature physically. It may be four or five years before you see his full potential at the NHL level, but he might be a very dynamic center some day.
4 to 5 years?

I can't think of a single top 5 pick in the last decade at forward who has taken that kind of time to develop into a quality NHL'er.

That's a 10-30 pick, if that's true.

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