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06-16-2012, 11:49 PM
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This is... really... flawed. Kane hasn't done it yet either! You don't give CK a fair chance to do anything by this!
What do you mean he hasn't done anything yet. 57 points as a 20 year old is just something to shrug your shoulders at?

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What do you mean he hasn't done anything yet. 57 points as a 20 year old is just something to shrug your shoulders at?
I didn't say anything. Do not twist my words. I said he didn't get 80 points yet. I never said 57 pts as a 20 y/o is something to shrug at. But Kreider got off on a terrific foot. And you mean to say he is nothing because he wasn't in the league at 20 years old? Because he didn't get 80 points in a season yet?!

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06-16-2012, 11:55 PM
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Let's see if I get this straight?

Kane is 20

DZ is 21

the only thing I am relatively certain of is that in 3 years:

Kane will be 23 and DZ will be 24.

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06-16-2012, 11:56 PM
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I didn't say anything. Do not twist my words. I said he didn't get 80 points yet. I never said 57 pts as a 20 y/o is something to shrug at. But Kreider got off on a terrific foot. And you mean to say he is nothing because he wasn't in the league at 20 years old? Because he didn't get 80 points in a season yet?!
All I'm saying is Kreider hasn't proven anything yet. He's off to an impressive start but for some people to say he and Kane already on the same level is utterly disrespectful to someone who has done things in his career.

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There are people in here who wouldn't do Kreider for Kane straight up? You are excused if you are a Winnipeg fan.

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Let's see if I get this straight?

Kane is 20

DZ is 21

the only thing I am relatively certain of is that in 3 years:

Kane will be 23 and DZ will be 24.
True there's no certainty,but we have general ideas of where these players are headed. That's what the entire trading/darfting/signing market is based on.

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06-16-2012, 11:59 PM
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It's amazing that Kane is guaranteed to get 80 points. Nothing against Kane, but reaching 80 points is not an easy thing to do unless ur Malkin or Stamkos

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True there's no certainty,but we have general ideas of where these players are headed. That's what the entire trading/darfting/signing market is based on.
Okay... and why doesn't that apply to both Kreider and MDZ as well?

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It's amazing that Kane is guaranteed to get 80 points. Nothing against Kane, but reaching 80 points is not an easy thing to do unless ur Malkin or Stamkos
Obviously nothing is guarenteed but he's really close in his second season.

It's it a guarentee? No, is it more probable? yes.

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All I'm saying is Kreider hasn't proven anything yet. He's off to an impressive start but for some people to say he and Kane already on the same level is utterly disrespectful to someone who has done things in his career.
Okay and you are fueling it too. How is that disrespectful? It could be true! One season is a terribly small sample size of a career, and you can VERY well see Kane not get 80 points, or you can. But IMO, you have the shiny new player thing going on with Kane because he was thrown into the mix. Why spend years on letting Kreider develop and then get rid of him either? If we're talking 80 points, niether Kane nor Kreider have proven anything in the sense of who can score 80 yet....

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Okay... and why doesn't that apply to both Kreider and MDZ as well?
It does.

Kreider just isn't projecting at quite the pace Kane is right now. If Kreider pops up next year and puts up 30 goals and 57 points then yeah, same thing, but Kane is the safer bet right now.

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Obviously nothing is guarenteed but he's really close in his second season.

It's it a guarentee? No, is it more probable? yes.
Being close has no weight in the next season...

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Okay and you are fueling it too. How is that disrespectful? It could be true! One season is a terribly small sample size of a career, and you can VERY well see Kane not get 80 points, or you can. But IMO, you have the shiny new player thing going on with Kane because he was thrown into the mix. Why spend years on letting Kreider develop and then get rid of him either? If we're talking 80 points, niether Kane nor Kreider have proven anything in the sense of who can score 80 yet....
Again, stop putting words in my mouth. I never onced indicated that I want to trade Kreider, I simply said that if I had to choose between Kreider and Kane it's Kane by a long shot.

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Being close has no weight in the next season...
ok then. lol.

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I would love to add Kane into the mix. I think who ever brought up the Kessel deal made a great point in stating that there's an established precedent for a deal of this type.

Let's not forget Kane is an RFA that is rumored not to be negiotiating. The Meszaros to Tampa deal was also similar. Kane is no franchise player, whether he turns into one or not remains to be seen. Both the Meszaros and Kessel deal brought back three pieces, including first round picks.

Both these deals were made with the players each threatening to sign offer sheets, similar to Kane, if Kane wants out of the 'Peg, then that less leverage for the Jets. Hopefully these rumors are valid, and the jets are getting themselves lubed up for a sacrilegious Slats special.

What I would like to see:
Dubinsky, St. Croix, '12 1st., '13 2nd.

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06-17-2012, 12:07 AM
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Again, stop putting words in my mouth. I never onced indicated that I want to trade Kreider, I simply said that if I had to choose between Kreider and Kane it's Kane by a long shot.
You are making that inference that if you had the choice, which means if a trade is involved, you'd dump CK. What if Kane never tops 80?

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All I'm saying is Kreider hasn't proven anything yet. He's off to an impressive start but for some people to say he and Kane already on the same level is utterly disrespectful to someone who has done things in his career.
The hilarity of it all is that both sides are arguing based on what they think "their guy" will be in the future, and both sides are counter-arguing with "you can't tell the future" haha. I will only add this to NYRKY--It's no knock on Kreider's ability that he is just now breaking into the league. The Rangers thought he was ready a year ago. The delay was solely due to Kreider wanting to complete his education.

I'm not sure what it would take to get Kane. I'd give up a lot more for him than I would for Nash, that's for certain.

I don't want to move Kreider. I doubt the Jets would want MDZ at the primary piece (they already have good PMD's, so it makes no sense to trade from weakness to strength). I'd assume they would target Stepan, and I'd probably do that (not adding much, if anything to him), but that puts us on thin ice at center.

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06-17-2012, 12:12 AM
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Obviously nothing is guarenteed but he's really close in his second season.

It's it a guarentee? No, is it more probable? yes.
Not to be a jerk, but this is the second time you've said it was his second season. For the record, this was Kane's THIRD season in the NHL:

2009-10 Atlanta Thrashers NHL 66GP 14-12-26 62PIM +2
2010-11 Atlanta Thrashers NHL 73GP 19-24-43 68PM -12
2011-12 Winnipeg Jets NHL 74GP 30-27-57 53PIM +11

Also, 57 points is WORLDS away from 80 points. There were 9 players who scored 80 or more points last year; 68 scored the 57 he achieved.

Not to say I don't think Kane might be able to post a couple of 80 point seasons - because I do - but it's not like he just missed last year.

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Not to take anything away from Kreider. He did it in the playoffs, and that has it's own value.

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Just out of curiosity, is there anyone here who would trade Krieder for Kane straight up?

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Just out of curiosity, is there anyone here who would trade Krieder for Kane straight up?
Tough kane is better, but so many have failed in NY. Kreider looks made for it. Still I prob do it

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Fwiw, ny post says all three of Kreider, McD, and Stepan are off limits in Nash talks but MDZ, arte, Hagelin among others are

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