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06-17-2012, 03:09 AM
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Wow, you can't be serious. Sorry to the rest of TO's fans for this guy. Thanks for a good laugh.
Kadri is their top prospect. I think they'd much rather move him in a package for another player than swap him for Sam Gagner

Gagner is a decent player but do you really see him as someone Burke and Leafs fans would target....?

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06-17-2012, 03:13 AM
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This might be silly to some of you but if you use the NFL value of what a 1st overall is. The Oilers should recive from the leafs is if they want the first pick in the draft would be


Leafs trade the 5th pick + 2013 1st rounder and either a 2012 2nd rounder or 2013 2nd rounder

the Oilers trade
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06-17-2012, 06:20 AM
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This might be silly to some of you but if you use the NFL value of what a 1st overall is. The Oilers should recive from the leafs is if they want the first pick in the draft would be


Leafs trade the 5th pick + 2013 1st rounder and either a 2012 2nd rounder or 2013 2nd rounder

the Oilers trade
1st overall
Apples and Oranges

All first and second rounders are ready to play in the NFL. Most first rounders are starters and impact players.

The NHL is much more akin to MLB. Draft picks are developmental projections and years away from playing.

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06-17-2012, 07:22 AM
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There is a rumor circulating the internet that the Leafs might trade up for Nail Yakupov and for Alex Galenchyuk. The other possiblity is the Canadiens trading to draft Yakupov and then drafting Galenchyuk. I doubt this happens as the Canadiens are not in as much supply at defense as the Leafs. If the Leafs can do perhaps Schenn + prospect for the 1st OVR and then trade up for the 3rd, I believe that Burke could be able to pull off what he did with the Sedin twins, except with Yakupov and Galenchyuk. Thoughts?

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrh...023402079.html
Unless Burke holds a gun to the heads of the other GMS I do not see him being able to get the deals done. Oiler wont trade the number pick in a quantity for quality trade. Oilers have lots and lots of bodies running around--while they need the go to D-man--I do not see the leafs offering the oilers Schenn, Kadri and what ever other players the leafs would throw at the oilers to get a deal done. Some leaf fans may balk at the Schenn and kadri idea alone--but those two players don't get you number one

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06-17-2012, 07:42 AM
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While it would be incredible to have Yakupov and Galchenyuk on the same team,it is also a huge risk. A team like Toronto would basically be waiving a white flag for the next two years while the players developed. The two are great but to say they will step in and contribute right away would be a stretch.

Picks alone imo dont get this done and the leafs offense seemed fine,it was the goaltending and pk that really did them in. So by trading vital pieces for more offense thats somehow going to fix the real issues?

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06-17-2012, 09:00 AM
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Here it is:

Oilers get Phaneuf, Kadri and TO's 1st pick 2013
Toronto gets Oiler's 1st pick 2012 - drafts Nail

Columbus gets MacArthur and TO's 1st pick 2012 (#5)
Toronto get Columbus' 1st pick 2012 - drafts Gally

Just like Burkie did in getting both Sedins. Is it possible??
The 2nd trade isn't horrible, but the 1st one is badly one sided in favour of Edmonton. They get the captain and 11th leading scorer for defenceman (Lidstrom retired), they get a former top 10 pick with tons of potential AND they get another 1st round pick. Edmonton fan?

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06-17-2012, 09:54 AM
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The 2nd trade isn't horrible, but the 1st one is badly one sided in favour of Edmonton. They get the captain and 11th leading scorer for defenceman (Lidstrom retired), they get a former top 10 pick with tons of potential AND they get another 1st round pick. Edmonton fan?
Nope, not an Edmonton fan. I doubt you'd find many Oiler fans that would want to have anything to do with Dion and don't have any need for Kadri so a big no from the Oil.

The 2nd sucks for Columbus as well...MacArthur isn't what they need so they drop from 2nd overall to 5th for what??

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06-17-2012, 11:13 AM
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Just curious if the leafs did not want to give up roster players as they are trying to make the playoffs, what would Oiler fans take just in terms of picks from the leafs?

1st in 2012, 2nd in 2012 + 1st in 2013 does that work? Less or more?

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06-17-2012, 11:18 AM
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Just curious if the leafs did not want to give up roster players as they are trying to make the playoff, what would Oiler fans take just in terms of picks from the leafs?

1st in 2012, 2nd in 2012 + 1st in 2013 does that work? Less or more?
For what..Yak? Not a chance..It would have to be something tangible, a player that can play and help right away plus++...Not some magic beans that will be less than what they'd have.
We already have 1st overall..That's huge and, who knows, we may never have this opportunity again for 20 years....Oil can easily take Yak as they're already there. Why give that up in 'hopes' something may fall to them?

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For what..Yak? Not a chance..It would have to be something tangible, a player that can play and help right away plus++...Not some magic beans that will be less than what they'd have.
We already have 1st overall..That's huge and, who knows, we may never have this opportunity again for 20 years....Oil can easily take Yak as they're already there. Why give that up in 'hopes' something may fall to them?
I was just curious the value of our pick in terms of picks. I am not saying the Oilers would be looking to do this trade. Just judging value, settle down.

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06-17-2012, 11:31 AM
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I was just curious the value of our pick in terms of picks. I am not saying the Oilers would be looking to do this trade. Just judging value, settle down.
Value is probably there. Edmonton moves down 4 spots and garners an early 2nd rounder this year and what could potentially be another top-10 pick in next year's draft. You won't find many that agree though, the assets involved are too valuable for fans to consider trading for anything other than massive overpayment -- so much so it just isn't worth discussing.

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06-17-2012, 11:33 AM
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For what..Yak? Not a chance..It would have to be something tangible, a player that can play and help right away plus++...Not some magic beans that will be less than what they'd have.
We already have 1st overall..That's huge and, who knows, we may never have this opportunity again for 20 years....Oil can easily take Yak as they're already there. Why give that up in 'hopes' something may fall to them?
They're all magic beans, none of the assets proposed are NHLers. The important thing is how high will each one of those magic beans grow.

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06-17-2012, 11:47 AM
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They're all magic beans, none of the assets proposed are NHLers. The important thing is how high will each one of those magic beans grow.
Not necessarily..The last 1st overall bust was what, 1999?

Yakopov is rated 1st overall by the large majority of scouts, media, etc. Odds that he will be a star are pretty good.

If we knew that Toronto or someone else were going to be 1st overall next year, sure, you seriously consider the deal. What's the magic beans part is no one has any idea where teams will fall next year. It changes year to year and for all we know TO could be in the playoffs next couple years.

It would be terrible if you gave up a potential star in Yak, which we already have, and end up with nothing but a top 20 pick or less...The 5th this year isn't enough to drop that low....

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06-17-2012, 11:56 AM
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This might be silly to some of you but if you use the NFL value of what a 1st overall is. The Oilers should recive from the leafs is if they want the first pick in the draft would be


Leafs trade the 5th pick + 2013 1st rounder and either a 2012 2nd rounder or 2013 2nd rounder

the Oilers trade
1st overall
Keep dreaming.
We're not trading next year's 1st, in what could be the most talent-rich draft in 10 years. That's a ridiculous over-payment.

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06-17-2012, 12:38 PM
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Good chance Pitkanen is dealt. If not at the draft, sometime this summer I surmise.

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06-17-2012, 02:40 PM
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Keep dreaming.
We're not trading next year's 1st, in what could be the most talent-rich draft in 10 years. That's a ridiculous over-payment.
You keep dreaming..... that won't get you yakupov, unless you are certain it will be top 5.

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06-17-2012, 05:15 PM
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nobody wants kadri

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Apologies if this has been mentioned, I haven't read the whole thread. I was thinking, if one puts any faith in these rumours, that the potential trade of JBo from Calgary might have some connection here seeing how Edmonton is in the market for a dman. Perhaps one team gets JBo and flips him to Edmonton or trades for him so they can sacrifice another of their own blueliners to Edmonton for the first pick. Anyways, just a thought.

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You keep dreaming..... that won't get you yakupov, unless you are certain it will be top 5.
We don't need a winger.

I don't dream of it in the first place.

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That's not entirely accurate. We could use Kadri, for sure. It's just that the Leafs still value him as a future first-line type, whereas we think of him as a second-line upside reclamation project. There's a value disconnect.

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That's not entirely accurate. We could use Kadri, for sure. It's just that the Leafs still value him as a future first-line type, whereas we think of him as a second-line upside reclamation project. There's a value disconnect.
I'm pretty sure most leaf fans see Kadri as a good 2nd liner that plays bigger then he is and has a pest-type of play also... He's got great hands, is gritty at times, and very good at drawing penalties....

Anyways, most leaf fans see him as a good 2nd liner with possible 1st line upside (less and less people think this now). He has very good skills/attributes, if he can put it together he can be a great player for the leafs... just the longer it takes the more pressure is on him and the more people think of him as a bust (not me, but lots of people).

At least this is what I think most leaf fans think of Kadri.

edit: Also, IMO Eakins is doing wonders for Kadri... developing his two-way game and eliminating/reducing his turnovers that were his biggest flaws in his game according to most people... Really hope he gets a chance this season, I think he could have a Hodgson type season (most people think he's about to bust then he has a pretty good season).... although he really fell off once in Buffalo didn't he?

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