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06-17-2012, 06:35 AM
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Should we tank for MacKinnon?

I'm of the decided opinion to say yes.

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06-17-2012, 06:49 AM
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Not on purpose but I sincerely hope that IF were on outside looking in we're sellers and acquire a ton of picks for what is deemed to be a deep draft.

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06-17-2012, 07:12 AM
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I'm of the decided opinion to say yes.
There's no guarantee we get him even if we finish with the lowest amount of points.

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06-17-2012, 07:20 AM
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while it could happen in theory, I wouldn't hold your breath on us being nearly as bad this year.

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Lets get seth jones

Imagine tinordi and seth jones on the ice together

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I'm of the decided opinion to say yes.
How do you propose to tank for McKinnon? Even if we lose every single game we have less than 50% chance of getting him.


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06-17-2012, 07:57 AM
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Like I said before, I think we are going to struggle this year due to lack of winger depth.

If we get Gally this year, to be able to add MacKinnon, Shinkaruk, Jones, Barkov or Drouin to that. Add in our 5 second round picks over that span. Our prospect pool will jump from bottom of the league to the top.

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06-17-2012, 07:59 AM
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I don't like the new way of thinking on hockey in Montreal.

So the Kings didn't inspire you in any way shape or form right ?

Maurice Richard would be turning in his grave listening to the newer generation of hockey fans in our city.

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I don't like the new way of thinking on hockey in Montreal.

So the Kings didn't inspire you in any way shape or form right ?

Maurice Richard would be turning in his grave listening to the newer generation of hockey fans in our city.
Top players Brown, Kopitar and Doughty were acquired via what means? They couldve had another top pick in that mix if they didnt go stupid and select Thomas Hickey.

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06-17-2012, 08:06 AM
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I'm of the decided opinion to say yes.
You don't know anything about the NHL entry draft, do you?

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06-17-2012, 08:09 AM
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I'm of the decided opinion to say yes.
Tanking is a bad idea...any year.

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06-17-2012, 08:18 AM
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I don't like the new way of thinking on hockey in Montreal.

So the Kings didn't inspire you in any way shape or form right ?

Maurice Richard would be turning in his grave listening to the newer generation of hockey fans in our city.
Actually the kings success came from a very patient rebuild. They amassed a ton of picks over the years and had a plethora of assets.

I'm hoping habs can follow this model for asset management.

We could reference #2 overall in 2008, Drew Doughty as one of the only 'young top picks' who were in the lineup for the cup win.

Who wasn't in the cup win? Example: Brayden Schenn(2009, #5 overall). Used to acquire Mike Richards.

As a matter of fact, take a look at this draft history:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/t...r00006664.html

Look at the number of picks they had.

In the 7th round round system since 2005:

2005: 8 picks
2006: 9 picks
2007: 10 picks
2008: 9 picks
2009: 10 picks

Total for 5 years: 46 picks in 5 years.

By comparison the habs had 35 picks during that time. Not to mention, the LA kings drafted earlier in the 1st round and earlier in general.

It's not to say tanking breeds success. It does not, but as I pointed out in post#2 of this thread. You need to sell when you're down and have proper asset management, something I feel the habs were terrible at over last few years. Hopefully our new management gets it.

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06-17-2012, 08:30 AM
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We won't get it. We'd have to throw the entire organization out of whack to even have a shot.

I think if we tried we'd just end picking around 5th or so. It's not worth it.

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That's not even a question that should be asked. The new group of guys (talking about Bergevin, Therrien, etc.) will do everything in their power to show that they can build, coach and manage a team properly.

We might end up at the bottom of the standings if we struggle with injuries again (most notably, if Price misses a big chunk of the season). The roster isn't bad, I think that last season was a bit flukey. With a bit more luck, the Canadiens could have ended up up to 5 positions higher. Which is still not good at all, but we'd be drafting 7th-12th instead of 3rd.

I think that the odds are, we will finish 5th-12th, depending on the roster changes and the draft. But since we don't have that much forward, defense or goalie depth, it wouldn't take much for us to finish near the bottom again, sadly.

I don't wish it, because last season was painful to watch. But in the end, I have to say, I've been enjoying following the 2012 draft. Very excited about June 22nd. I'd much rather win, but I'll enjoy watching/following hockey regardless.

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Some of you are seriously underestimating this team - last year was a one-off... we have some pretty good players so I don't think this team can fail as badly as last year.

edit: unless Price gets injured for an extended amount of time

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06-17-2012, 08:42 AM
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The top 5 In next year's draft is shaping up to be absolutely amazing.

If we're not in the playoffs race by december I say let's tank. Mackinnon might not even be the 1st pick, I think Seth Jones will go #1

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06-17-2012, 08:45 AM
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The top 5 In next year's draft is shaping up to be absolutely amazing.

If we're not in the playoffs race by december I say let's tank. Mackinnon might not even be the 1st pick, I think Seth Jones will go #1
I agree Jones is a monster cant wait to see what he does next year

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06-17-2012, 08:49 AM
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And why not Joshua Ho-Sang the year after. Future Habs can be almost as great as the Oilers.

I say be here now, we just had a tough year but no friggin way I want to make tanking a habit.

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I'm of the decided opinion to say yes.
No way we tank...if the injury man games is less than 125 games, unlike last year's 400+ we are back in the playoffs....

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06-17-2012, 09:01 AM
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I'd love to get him, but I really don't want to tank again... I'd much rather see our team succeed.

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Some of you are seriously underestimating this team - last year was a one-off... we have some pretty good players so I don't think this team can fail as badly as last year.

edit: unless Price gets injured for an extended amount of time
Too many question marks is surrounding this team.
Will Bourque bounce back? what's gonna happen with Gomez? Markov? Kaberle?
What will be done to change the make up of our defense? Who will Eller get as wingers?

Too many unknowns.


I don't think tanking is a good idea, but I know Bergevin said that he felt the proper way of rebuilding is through good drafting and player development. So, I'm not sure what his approach to the summer will be. We don't know if he'll be aggressive on the trade and free agency fronts. But this team needs improvements.

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06-17-2012, 09:13 AM
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no. but if one of price, PK, or plekanec get injured for a long stretch, we might as well tank that *****

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Yeah.

Plan in advance to be crappy for an entire year on the odd chance that a 17 year old player who is unproven at the professional level might be drafted by your team and lead them to the promised land.

Extra chromosome thinking. Beyond retarded.

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Not on purpose but I sincerely hope that IF were on outside looking in we're sellers and acquire a ton of picks for what is deemed to be a deep draft.
pretty much this. hopefully bergie will not want to go all out burke style to make the PO's


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Yeah.

Plan in advance to be crappy for an entire year on the odd chance that a 17 year old player who is unproven at the professional level might be drafted by your team and lead them to the promised land.

Extra chromosome thinking. Beyond retarded.
Well if you so smart, you should be able to understand it has more to do with being sellers at trade dealine and bergie not going burke style and give up picks prior to season start to acquire some high level player because he thinks prior to season start that we are contenders. that would be "beyond" retarted imo

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