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06-17-2012, 04:28 PM
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I think Plekanec is the exact type of player the Ducks should be looking for if they trade the #6 pick. A 2 way, semi-young, 2nd line center signed to a reasonable deal for a reasonable term. They just need a little bit more in order to make the deal. I wouldn't be mad if Murray was able to pull this trade off what so ever if MTL added a bit more, and possibly took a little dump like Cogliano or Sexton off of our hands.

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06-17-2012, 04:29 PM
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You do realize Plekanec for sixth overall has been talked to death and in fact a thread was made by a Ducks fan for that exact proposal, yes? Seriously, mate. Do your research if you are going to step in for another franchise. The Ducks would love this, although I do not see why Long Island trades down two spots for a second. Granted, it would pave way for an epic trollage if Montreal took Galchenyuk and Forsberg. Toronto fans would be pissed.

Might toss in a prospect to Long Island, just for that.
Just because 3 or 4 of our fans are desperate for a second line center and would trade the 6th overall straight up for Plekanec doesn't mean the rest of us think that's a good idea.

Imagine if that's Forsberg or Grigorenko and they hit their max upside. We're stuck with a 50 point center while Montreal lucked out with a 70-90 point forward. No...the value isn't fair. It's not about research.

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06-17-2012, 04:44 PM
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Just because 3 or 4 of our fans are desperate for a second line center and would trade the 6th overall straight up for Plekanec doesn't mean the rest of us think that's a good idea.

Imagine if that's Forsberg or Grigorenko and they hit their max upside. We're stuck with a 50 point center while Montreal lucked out with a 70-90 point forward. No...the value isn't fair. It's not about research.
Sort of how it works with trading young players for established ones. Plekanec may be 50-60 point player on a garbage Habs team but he could do much more in Anaheim. Even at 60 points, he is one of the top defensive forwards in the league and excellent on the PK. Whereas, Frosberg might be a 70+ point player, his defensive game could always remain inferior. Anaheim would be trading for success now while Montreal is taking on the risk and time to develop a prospect. If Montreal did have to add, it certainly would not be much.

No offense but I have seen far more Duck fans happy to trade sixth overall for Plekanec or a basis around that then those opposing it.

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06-17-2012, 04:54 PM
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Sort of how it works with trading young players for established ones. Plekanec may be 50-60 point player on a garbage Habs team but he could do much more in Anaheim. Even at 60 points, he is one of the top defensive forwards in the league and excellent on the PK. Whereas, Frosberg might be a 70+ point player, his defensive game could always remain inferior. Anaheim would be trading for success now while Montreal is taking on the risk and time to develop a prospect. If Montreal did have to add, it certainly would not be much.

No offense but I have seen far more Duck fans happy to trade sixth overall for Plekanec or a basis around that then those opposing it.
As most of the typical trade board posters have appeared in this thread and said Montreal would need to add, that just means you aren't really looking. The "value of the 6th overall" thread went the same way.

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06-17-2012, 05:06 PM
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his value isnt good enough for a top 6 pick,hell,not even a top 10 pick.nice try though.


the Habs have to add to even have the gm of the Ducks not hang up the phone
Sriously under valuing Plekanec.

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06-17-2012, 05:34 PM
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Sriously under valuing Plekanec.
The guy is clueless, you are wasting your time.

On an interesting note, we actually agree for one of the few times on these boards...LOl.

I think Plekanec in either Anaheim or Chicago would be a tremendous boost for those teams. For the bozo fans who have no clue (there really is not a lot more than one), Plekanec had a rotating cast of less than ideal wingers the entire season, still played top tough minutes as a defensive specialist at even strength and on the PK, and still produced 50+ points!

So, yes, I think that Plekanec is definitely worth a top 10 pick and possibly even a bit more depending upon where in the top 10 the pick sits. For every Connoly or Ekman-Larson you can get at the #6, you could get stuck with a Gagner, Filatov, Brassard, Brule, Montoya, Upshall, etc... In other words, the percentage is higher that you will get a worse player than Plekanec with that pick.
I wish people would research the realities of the 6th overall pick when compared to the player in the proposal before opening their mouths (I do not mean YOU gliff).

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06-17-2012, 05:48 PM
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The Islanders only had three boys visit the Island. Dumba and Grigorenko were two of them. Murray was the third. All of Snow's first picks in a draft during his tenure had visited the Island in advance.

If pick 4 comes and they can still grab Murray, I'd expect them to do so (not written in stone). If he's gone, I can see them willing to do this move or something of this ilk. I suspect that no less than one of Grigorenko or Dumba would be available at 6.

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06-17-2012, 05:59 PM
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And you are misguided as to how tightly Snow holds onto his 1st rounders and top youngsters,if you think he'd make such a trade.
Right.

Except for two glaring contradictions.

First: Snow is actively shopping his 1st rounder for a young stud under contract.

Second: my proposal didn't include any roster players.

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Right.

Except for two glaring contradictions.

First: Snow is actively shopping his 1st rounder for a young stud under contract.

Second: my proposal didn't include any roster players.

Yes,Snow is once again shopping his first rounder for a young stud.According to Staples,Botta and Strang,he did that going into the 2010 and 2011 drafts too.
However,Snow is not offering multiple first rounders ,like you did in your proposal.

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The guy is clueless, you are wasting your time.

On an interesting note, we actually agree for one of the few times on these boards...LOl.

I think Plekanec in either Anaheim or Chicago would be a tremendous boost for those teams. For the bozo fans who have no clue (there really is not a lot more than one), Plekanec had a rotating cast of less than ideal wingers the entire season, still played top tough minutes as a defensive specialist at even strength and on the PK, and still produced 50+ points!

So, yes, I think that Plekanec is definitely worth a top 10 pick and possibly even a bit more depending upon where in the top 10 the pick sits. For every Connoly or Ekman-Larson you can get at the #6, you could get stuck with a Gagner, Filatov, Brassard, Brule, Montoya, Upshall, etc... In other words, the percentage is higher that you will get a worse player than Plekanec with that pick.
I wish people would research the realities of the 6th overall pick when compared to the player in the proposal before opening their mouths (I do not mean YOU gliff).
Are you saying I should research the realities of the 6th overall pick? Because I just said I would do a trade bhased around Plekanec and the 6th.

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To Anaheim:
Bourque
Plekanec
2012 2nd round pick

To MTL:
6th overall
Lydman
Cogliano
Clark (Ducks Dman prospect)

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06-17-2012, 08:19 PM
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To Anaheim:
Bourque
Plekanec
2012 2nd round pick

To MTL:
6th overall
Lydman
Cogliano
Palmieri
Terrible for the Ducks.

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Bourque
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6th
2nd

thats the most i would do.

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Bourque
Plekanec

6th
2nd

thats the most i would do.
I would want to send Lydman or Cogliano back though for salary reasons.

I think the most realistic deal would be...
Plekanec
Bourque

6th overall
Cogliano
36th overall

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see post #7,its you who have no idea what your're talking about
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In what world is Pleks worth the 6th overall?
As a Habs fan, I'm not even sure I'd do Plekanec + 33rd overall for the 6th overall, simply because the chance the 6th pick actually becomes a better player than Plekanec aren't all that big, adding to the fact that it will take at least 2 or 3 years to develop the player drafted at the 6th spot. Also, early 2nd round, it's still possible to pick some darn good players.

A Plekanec for 6th overall pick trade makes sense. The Ducks are in a win-now mode and they cruelly need a 2nd line center. Plekanec is just that, he could even be considered like a low-tier first line center. From a Habs perspective, they are going through a rebuild process and another high pick would be enticing given our current position. Not only that, but the chance they win something significant while having Plekanec centering their first line is slim to none, so why not get a blue-chip prospect for him, even though that means the full-rebuild process is engaged and at least 1 or 2 more years of lottery teams await.

Some people out there need to realize a 6th overall pick won't get you a superstar center. Plekanec would be the perfect fit for the Ducks. I've seen several of their fans agreeing to a deal centering Plekanec and their 6th overall, and I'm personally inclined to think it is a pretty good deal as well.

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06-17-2012, 08:35 PM
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you have to add to that proposal to have the Ducks even listen.The Islanders arent trading down either for an extra 2nd round pick.
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no they wouldnt.as i said in my previous post,the Habs would have to add
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see post #7,its you who have no idea what your're talking about
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someones getting mad cause everyone is disagreeing with him

sorry,but a 30 year old 2nd line center isnt getting you the 6th pick

You should try checking out a few threads before making a complete ass of yourself.
There has already been a thread about Pleks for the ducks 1st rd pick and many of the Duck fans that answered in that thread agreed that they would go along with it while a few more said something minor should be added from the Habs.
Guess you were completely wrong.

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Habs get
4th overall

Ducks get
Plekanec

NYI gets
6th overall
Mtl second round draft pick (33rd)


Ducks get their second line C. Nyi moves down two spots but they get a high second round pick and they still can draft a d. Habs get 4th overall and draft grigs and with the the 3rd overall habs draft gally
As a Habs fan i think a little tweaking is needed
Ducks get Pleks + Bourque
NYI get 6th OA + Habs 2 + Ducks 36 OA
Habs get 4th OA and Cogliano

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You should try checking out a few threads before making a complete ass of yourself.
There has already been a thread about Pleks for the ducks 1st rd pick and many of the Duck fans that answered in that thread agreed that they would go along with it while a few more said something minor should be added from the Habs.
Guess you were completely wrong.

he's not worth the 6th pick,plain and simple,hes a 2nd line center whos almost 30.regardless of whether some clueless Duck fans would make the trade,bottom line is,the gm of the Ducks wouldnt.The Habs would have to add for the gm to even think about it.theres NO way he makes that 1 for 1 swap.

its really not too hard to figure out.some of you guys should try paying attention

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he's not worth the 6th pick,plain and simple,hes a 2nd line center whos almost 30.regardless of whether some clueless Duck fans would make the trade,bottom line is,the gm of the Ducks wouldnt.The Habs would have to add for the gm to even think about it.theres NO way he makes that 1 for 1 swap.

its really not too hard to figure out.some of you guys should try paying attention
Ya your right the worlds wrong.

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he's not worth the 6th pick,plain and simple,hes a 2nd line center whos almost 30.regardless of whether some clueless Duck fans would make the trade,bottom line is,the gm of the Ducks wouldnt.The Habs would have to add for the gm to even think about it.theres NO way he makes that 1 for 1 swap.

its really not too hard to figure out.some of you guys should try paying attention
Please tell me what MY TEAM needs and what MY TEAM'S GM would do. Doubt you watch the Ducks play except when they play the Rangers. I dare you to tell me I'm wrong.

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Yes,Snow is once again shopping his first rounder for a young stud.According to Staples,Botta and Strang,he did that going into the 2010 and 2011 drafts too.
However,Snow is not offering multiple first rounders ,like you did in your proposal.
I guess if Snow ever trades picks for Subban, you'll fill me in on the details then.

I wait in eager anticipation.


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If I had the 6th overall pick I would not be looking to trade it for Plekanec. Find someone younger.

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To Anaheim:
Bourque
Plekanec
2012 2nd round pick

To MTL:
6th overall
Lydman
Cogliano
Clark (Ducks Dman prospect)
Bourque doesn't serve a single need for us. Clark and Lydman do.

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If I had the 6th overall pick I would not be looking to trade it for Plekanec. Find someone younger.
You forgot the part: win-now mode.

And who's younger and better than Plekanec, and available for trade for a draft pick?

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You forgot the part: win-now mode.

And who's younger and better than Plekanec, and available for trade for a draft pick?
There's been some talk of Colin Wilson possibly being available. If Suter is walking, the 6th overall likely gives Nashville the pick of the litter at that position; Murray is probably the only d-man that's guaranteed to be off the board at that point.

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