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06-17-2012, 03:25 PM
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So just to verify that "shocking update" didn't happen and isn't going to happen, right?
No, it happened. He said that Nash veto'd a trade to Philly and has removed the Flyers from his list of acceptable teams.

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06-17-2012, 03:55 PM
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does anyone else think thats an oxymoron?

like who?
That's my point. For Philadelphia Flyers rumors, is Tim Panacchio considered legitimate according to site rules? if so, lol.


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That's my point. For Philadelphia Flyers rumors, is Tim Panacchio considered legitimate according to site rules? if so, lol.
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15) Outlandish claims of inside information: This is subjective and will be at the discretion of the moderator after consulting with other posters and other administrators. Deference will be given to veteran members who have established credibility. If you're an insider, contact us with proof BEFORE you post.


There's a difference between an idiot and a kid with twitter who sits in his basement. Full disclosure, I've consulted multiple times with other moderators and administrators as to what this means, and in the past have tried to allow their 'rumors' to go on as simple speculation just as anyone else here would speculate. No other forum allows these kids' 'rumors' to infiltrate their forums as real news, so we're not either. All they have to do is prove that they actually do have sources, and the website will green light it. So far, none of these guys have, despite how much they cry and call other people names (which is both not professional, childish, and further proves they're just liars).

Timmy is an accredited media member, who works for a credible media outlet. Whether or not his intelligence rivals that of a doorknob is irrelevant, the point is he is associated with a media outlet. Timmy works for the same entity that owns the Flyers, so there's nothing to dispute there.

The other guy (who is now being disputed by another kid tweeting from his basement in the complete opposite direction) is not. He is random person on the internet who wants to be the next Eklund. And most people here would say one Eklund is one too many, so we're not having it here.

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06-17-2012, 04:22 PM
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No, it happened. He said that Nash veto'd a trade to Philly and has removed the Flyers from his list of acceptable teams.
Really? Can't tell if you're serious.

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I'm guessing Nash will be heading to one of his 'top-5 preferred destinations'. I'll be happy to not have the 5th highest cap-hit in the league on our team, but he's a good player. Maybe now we'll work on defense...

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06-17-2012, 05:48 PM
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GKJ is right. He had a flukey year with his shooting percentage. Just like he had a flukey year in the other direction in shooting percentage in 09-10 when he scored only 14. When his shooting percentage normalizes he's more likely to be a 25 goal scorer. I'm sure most fans will hate him on again for having a disappointing year because they've created unrealistic expectations in their minds.
All shots are not created equal. There can be more to fluctuations in shooting percentage and shot totals (also a career high for Hartnell) than purely random variance. It only makes sense that skating with an elite playmaker would contribute to increases in shot opportunity and shot quality.

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I didn't knock his talent, I knocked his future production based on trends of players in the age rage he's about to come in to.
The problem with that method in this case is that it lumps Nash into a category of players who are much less talented than he is and it completely ignores the possible changes to the team context.


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I have 3 different guys on twitter saying Nash didn't want to move his NTC for the flyers, is that true or is it juust bs?

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06-17-2012, 06:12 PM
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I have 3 different guys on twitter saying Nash didn't want to move his NTC for the flyers, is that true or is it juust bs?
Hopefully it's true.

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06-17-2012, 06:12 PM
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I have 3 different guys on twitter saying Nash didn't want to move his NTC for the flyers, is that true or is it juust bs?
Nothing but a rumor started by someone living in mommys basement trying to be an 'insider'.

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I have 3 different guys on twitter saying Nash didn't want to move his NTC for the flyers, is that true or is it juust bs?
I pray to god it's true

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I don't see the point in trading the house for this guy, maybe if his cap hit was around 5.5 and he was only 26 I would but not now

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I don't see the point in trading the house for this guy, maybe if his cap hit was around 5.5 and he was only 26 I would but not now
To be fair, if his cap hit was around 5.5 and he was 26, he wouldn't be available . . . If he was available he would cost significantly more than we could offer--

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06-17-2012, 06:24 PM
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To be fair, if his cap hit was around 5.5 and he was 26, he wouldn't be available . . . If he was available he would cost significantly more than we could offer--
Yeah I know just saying, just would rather move JVR for a Dman, and now that they are apparently out of the Nash saga, who do you guys think they target

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06-17-2012, 06:40 PM
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Yeah I know just saying, just would rather move JVR for a Dman, and now that they are apparently out of the Nash saga, who do you guys think they target
Honestly, at this point I don't expect a blockbuster trade between now and the draft.

(So I'll assume something big happens tomorrow).

If I'm Holmgren, I hope a few teams go off the board in the top 20 and ensure one of the high risk, high reward-types falls to us. Short of that, I would explore the possibility of trading that pick for a defensive prospect if there are really only forwards and goalies on the board.

At the draft, I offer Bobrovsky to Columbus for Savard or Goloubef and a 3rd (61st overall). Maybe package the (then) two thirds and jump into the 2nd round and pick whichever high risk, high reward forward slips.

July 1, I offer Zach Parise something close to a blank check--not that I expect he would sign here, but I think he fixes a few different long-term issues and improves our team defense.

If the Flyers manage to acquire Parise, then I think they start shopping one of JVR or Voracek and Mezsaros to see what is out there in terms of young, top-4 defenseman (the logic being that JVR / Voracek have significant value, and Mez is a good short-term replacement).

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In regards to the Nash rumors flying around the Flyers today...I am not saying the Flyers are not in on Nash, but I don't feel he is on top of their list and when it comes to spending that cap hit...the Flyers are far more likely to make a HUGE play for Shea Weber.
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklun...Luongo/1/45005

As per Eklund, Nash is not a priority...


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06-17-2012, 07:04 PM
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Honestly, at this point I don't expect a blockbuster trade between now and the draft.

(So I'll assume something big happens tomorrow).

If I'm Holmgren, I hope a few teams go off the board in the top 20 and ensure one of the high risk, high reward-types falls to us. Short of that, I would explore the possibility of trading that pick for a defensive prospect if there are really only forwards and goalies on the board.

At the draft, I offer Bobrovsky to Columbus for Savard or Goloubef and a 3rd (61st overall). Maybe package the (then) two thirds and jump into the 2nd round and pick whichever high risk, high reward forward slips.

July 1, I offer Zach Parise something close to a blank check--not that I expect he would sign here, but I think he fixes a few different long-term issues and improves our team defense.

If the Flyers manage to acquire Parise, then I think they start shopping one of JVR or Voracek and Mezsaros to see what is out there in terms of young, top-4 defenseman (the logic being that JVR / Voracek have significant value, and Mez is a good short-term replacement).
I expect similar, but I actually expect some sort of trade gets made. I think we sign Carle and a depth forward who can play a 4th line role. Jagr is a probable yes. I expect that between now and mid-July, we package 1-2 of our forwards for another solid defenseman.

I just can't think that the Snider says "Defense is the focus" and all we do is re-sign what we had there.

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Honestly, at this point I don't expect a blockbuster trade between now and the draft.

(So I'll assume something big happens tomorrow).

If I'm Holmgren, I hope a few teams go off the board in the top 20 and ensure one of the high risk, high reward-types falls to us. Short of that, I would explore the possibility of trading that pick for a defensive prospect if there are really only forwards and goalies on the board.

At the draft, I offer Bobrovsky to Columbus for Savard or Goloubef and a 3rd (61st overall). Maybe package the (then) two thirds and jump into the 2nd round and pick whichever high risk, high reward forward slips.

July 1, I offer Zach Parise something close to a blank check--not that I expect he would sign here, but I think he fixes a few different long-term issues and improves our team defense.

If the Flyers manage to acquire Parise, then I think they start shopping one of JVR or Voracek and Mezsaros to see what is out there in terms of young, top-4 defenseman (the logic being that JVR / Voracek have significant value, and Mez is a good short-term replacement).



http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklun...Luongo/1/45005

As per Eklund, Nash is not a priority...
I know everyone says Eklund has his sources with the flyers, I could care less, to me opinions are as useful as a used tissue, sources or no sources I don't buy it until, I hear a true hockey insider that is trustable come up with it


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06-17-2012, 07:11 PM
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I have 3 different guys on twitter saying Nash didn't want to move his NTC for the flyers, is that true or is it juust bs?
it's bs, that's no confirmation of the rumor on any articles, it's made up.

http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-phil...204&feedID=695, they are still in the mix, the rumor was false

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06-17-2012, 07:28 PM
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apparently were getting weber now

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it's bs, that's no confirmation of the rumor on any articles, it's made up.

http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-phil...204&feedID=695, they are still in the mix, the rumor was false
That article says nothing to refute the rumor about Nash not lifting his NTC to come here. All it says is the Flyers are one of several teams "reportedly" interested in him.

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apparently were getting weber now
Link now!

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its eklund...dont get excited

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The question now, as it was in late February — when Columbus GM Scott Howson got greedy and demanded a combination of players including Chris Kreider; Derek Stepan or Carl Hagelin; Ryan McDonagh or Michael Del Zotto; plus Brandon Dubinsky and a first-rounder
Nash may be stuck in Columbus forever if this is still the asking price.

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Nash may be stuck in Columbus forever if this is still the asking price.
I'm pretty sure that every single iteration of this story goes back to Brooks from the NY Post...and frankly, I just don't believe that Howson asked for all of that.

It is possible the Rangers said he did--though I'm not sure what that would accomplish if they were really in on Nash hard--but I think it is equally likely that Brooks was just finding a way to make the story more interesting.

(Keep in mind, too, that Columbus doesn't particularly "want" Dubinsky; he's the defacto salary through in from the Rangers--which doesn't mean he's without value, but he's not a player the Blue Jackets are targeting...)

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I'm pretty sure that every single iteration of this story goes back to Brooks from the NY Post...and frankly, I just don't believe that Howson asked for all of that.

It is possible the Rangers said he did--though I'm not sure what that would accomplish if they were really in on Nash hard--but I think it is equally likely that Brooks was just finding a way to make the story more interesting.

(Keep in mind, too, that Columbus doesn't particularly "want" Dubinsky; he's the defacto salary through in from the Rangers--which doesn't mean he's without value, but he's not a player the Blue Jackets are targeting...)
I dunno, a lot of people at the deadline were saying Howson's asking price was pretty outlandish. I think he's trying to make up for the Carter fiasco in one swoop.

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I'm pretty sure that every single iteration of this story goes back to Brooks from the NY Post...and frankly, I just don't believe that Howson asked for all of that.
This is the second time you questioned this information. Why don't you believe it?

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