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02-18-2012, 04:28 PM
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Now what about a possible move such as this:

To Florida:
F Mason Raymond
2012 3rd Round Pick

To Vancouver:
D Keaton Ellerby
F Krys Barch

I think this potentially could help out both teams. Florida gets a fast 26 year old winger who already has one 50+ point season under his belt and can add some offensive depth and Vancouver benefits by adding a physical 23 year old defensemen to shore up their defensive depth while also landing a forward better suited to a bottom-six role.
Interesting trade. I have problems with Raymond since he broke his back. Thats serious stuff. He doesn't look like himself this year IMO. Also not big on stockpiling picks. Espically a low 3rd.

Barch is expandable and to an extent so is Ellerby. I just feel like the market for a young quick Dman like Ellerby, who could be a regular on a lot of teams right now might fetch us more.

But this trade will probably happen in real life, since its Florida & Vancity

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02-18-2012, 10:35 PM
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Interesting trade. I have problems with Raymond since he broke his back. Thats serious stuff. He doesn't look like himself this year IMO. Also not big on stockpiling picks. Espically a low 3rd.

Barch is expandable and to an extent so is Ellerby. I just feel like the market for a young quick Dman like Ellerby, who could be a regular on a lot of teams right now might fetch us more.

But this trade will probably happen in real life, since its Florida & Vancity
Well Raymond and Garrison are best friends so maybe this trade would help keep Garrison here.

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This would be a trade in the offseason, what does everyone think about maybe acquiring Havlat from the Sharks?

He is having an off season, but he is a Right winger that used to play under Tallon(IIRC he wanted to re-sign him, but management in Chi wanted Hossa) that could solidfy our top 6.

His value should be low, and he is signed through 2015.

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Let's pick up Joe Thornton, k? Thanks.

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What would you be willing to add to Bjugstad (if you would) to get Evander Kane? Just curious.

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What would you be willing to add to Bjugstad (if you would) to get Evander Kane? Just curious.
A late 1st and thats it, at least from my point of view.

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evander kane i'd be willing to move our first and kulikov as long as the panthers either resigned garrison or signed suter

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With Kane, they need a scorer going back, so says the Jets fans.

And we are short on those, at least ones that would be close to Kane value wise.

So I don't think they value Kulikov as high as we do/other teams.

With Bogo and Enstrom, they have other pressing needs they can trade off Kane for, JMO.

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06-17-2012, 12:40 PM
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Kulikov? Really? Kane is an RFA. There is no guarantee that he would even sign with us if we trade for him.

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It would be predicated on him signing there of course which probably wouldn't be a problem he wants to play Ina big city which Miami certainly is and Kulikov wouldn't really work as we have a glut of D already

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Luongo returning home

So in the Luongo thread on the Trade Rumors board, Panthers fans were fine with Upshall, Howden, 1st pick, 2nd pick for Luongo, Raymond. I was wondering if this adaptation works too.

To the Florida Panthers:
G Roberto Luongo
LW/RW Mason Raymond
D Andrew Alberts

To the Vancouver Canucks:
LW Sean Bergenheim
RW Matt Bradley
LW Quinton Howden
23rd overall pick
53rd overall pick

I thought adding in a swap of Bradley for Alberts helps Florida as they have an abundance of 4th line fowards while having only 6 d-men for next season if they lose Garrison and don't bring anyone up. If that part of the deal is bad we can take it out.

Then I swapped Upshall for Bergenheim from the original agreed upon deal.

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06-17-2012, 08:26 PM
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So in the Luongo thread on the Trade Rumors board, Panthers fans were fine with Upshall, Howden, 1st pick, 2nd pick for Luongo, Raymond. I was wondering if this adaptation works too.

To the Florida Panthers:
G Roberto Luongo
LW/RW Mason Raymond
D Andrew Alberts

To the Vancouver Canucks:
LW Sean Bergenheim
RW Matt Bradley
LW Quinton Howden
23rd overall pick
53rd overall pick

I thought adding in a swap of Bradley for Alberts helps Florida as they have an abundance of 4th line fowards while having only 6 d-men for next season if they lose Garrison and don't bring anyone up. If that part of the deal is bad we can take it out.

Then I swapped Upshall for Bergenheim from the original agreed upon deal.
As much as all the "pundits" want to try and say it works, it just doesn't make sense to bring Luongo back to the Panthers. Between Markstrom all but ready to come up and Luongo's contract, there just simply isn't a fit to a need regardless of whom the pieces are in either direction.

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06-17-2012, 08:29 PM
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So in the Luongo thread on the Trade Rumors board, Panthers fans were fine with Upshall, Howden, 1st pick, 2nd pick for Luongo, Raymond.
I have a hard time believing that a Panthers fan actually agreed on this one.

Prove it.

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was wondering if this adaptation works too.

To the Florida Panthers:
G Roberto Luongo
LW/RW Mason Raymond
D Andrew Alberts

To the Vancouver Canucks:
LW Sean Bergenheim
RW Matt Bradley
LW Quinton Howden
23rd overall pick
53rd overall pick
Horrible, just horrible.

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06-17-2012, 08:35 PM
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As much as all the "pundits" want to try and say it works, it just doesn't make sense to bring Luongo back to the Panthers. Between Markie being the future and Luongo's contract, there just simply isn't a fit.
Well Florida could do what Vancouver did with Schneider. Bring him up slowly. Luongo is knows he is a starter for 5 more years and his contract indicates that. 1st year give Markstrom 15 games. 2nd year give him 20. 3rd 25, 4th 30, 5th split them close to even and give whoever is better more games. 6th year Luongo gets 30 games if he doesn't retire or is traded to a team that wants a cap hit higher than actual salary to reach the floor

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I have a hard time believing that a Panthers fan actually agreed on this one.

Prove it.


Horrible, just horrible.
go look urself in the Luongo thread. It was a 2-3 pages back from where it is now

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go look urself in the Luongo thread. It was a 2-3 pages back from where it is now
LOL! Maybe some random Panther fan, not "Panther fans". Swap Kesler for Raymond, then maybe.

If we are getting that Luongo contract, you will be enjoying yourself some Ed Jovonovski and Scotty Upshall.

You think your getting picks AND Howden?!?!? Wow.. Then you add Bergy?

Sorry, but Panther fans are not interested.

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To the Florida Panthers:
G Roberto Luongo
LW/RW Mason Raymond
D Andrew Alberts

To the Vancouver Canucks:
LW Sean Bergenheim
RW Matt Bradley
LW Quinton Howden
23rd overall pick
53rd overall pick
To Vancouver
G Roberto Luongo
C Ryan Kesler


To the Vancouver Canucks:
RW Matt Bradley
LW Quinton Howden
23rd overall pick
53rd overall pick

This is a deal Tallon would likely take. The proposed deal would be DOA.

Florida needs a center - not Luongo. We'll take Luongo to get the center.

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LOL! Maybe some random Panther fan, not "Panther fans". Swap Kesler for Raymond, then maybe.

If we are getting that Luongo contract, you will be enjoying yourself some Ed Jovonovski and Scotty Upshall.

You think your getting picks AND Howden?!?!? Wow.. Then you add Bergy?

Sorry, but Panther fans are not interested.
Well Upshall was there instead of Bergenheim and it was a deal agreed to by a Panthers fan. In my defense, I thought it was an overpayment myself but seeing how it was agreed to, I thought maybe it was just me.

If I were to make a proposal from scratch it would be Bergenheim + Jovanovski + Howden + the 23rd pick for Luongo + Raymond + Alberts + 26th pick. Alberts is added in to give a d-men back to the Panthers and to balance out contracts.

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To Vancouver
G Roberto Luongo
C Ryan Kesler


To the Vancouver Canucks:
RW Matt Bradley
LW Quinton Howden
23rd overall pick
53rd overall pick

This is a deal Tallon would likely take. The proposed deal would be DOA.

Florida needs a center - not Luongo. We'll take Luongo to get the center.
No way that gets you Kesler + Luongo. That would barely be acceptable for just Luongo.

Atleast I had a fair reason for my offer. It was already agreed to by at least 1 Panthers fan.

Offering something like this is me saying why don't the Canucks give u Raymond Tanev 26th and 57th pick for Gudbranson + Campbell

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No way that gets you Kesler + Luongo. That would barely be acceptable for just Luongo.

Atleast I had a fair reason for my offer. It was already agreed to by at least 1 Panthers fan.

Offering something like this is me saying why don't the Canucks give u Raymond Tanev 26th and 57th pick for Gudbranson + Campbell
If that's the case, then I can tell you that Luongo will not be coming to the Panthers.

I really couldn't care less as to what some 'Panthers fan' agreed to. That's hardly the basis for fair value.

Luongo has little value. (A rational GM will not give you a first round pick and a blue chip prospect for him.) If he was valuable, your GM wouldn't be desperate to dump him.

Don't worry. The fool in Toronto will overpay in order to appease his masters and give the fans their bread & circus.



(edit: Incidentally - don't take offense - I just think that many folks outside of Florida hear "Vancouver looking to move Luongo" & "Luongo wants to return to Florida" and assume "Florida misses Luongo and wants him back".... for the most part, we don't miss him and are rather ambivalent about having him back)


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If that's the case, then I can tell you that Luongo will not be coming to the Panthers.

I really couldn't care less as to what some 'Panthers fan' agreed to. That's hardly the basis for fair value.

Luongo has little value. (A rational GM will not give you a first round pick and a blue chip prospect for him.) If he was valuable, your GM wouldn't be desperate to dump him.

Don't worry. The fool in Toronto will overpay in order to appease his masters and give the fans their bread & circus.
Well that was an offer I made based off a couple Pnathers fan's opinions from a previous offer.

Like I said if I started from scratch I would look for something like this:

To FLA:
Luongo
Raymond
Alberts
26th overall pick

To VAN:
Jovanovski
Bergenheim
Howden
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Well that was an offer I made based off a couple Pnathers fan's opinions from a previous offer.

Like I said if I started from scratch I would look for something like this:

To FLA:
Luongo
Raymond
Alberts
26th overall pick

To VAN:
Jovanovski
Bergenheim
Howden
23rd overall pick
The picks are a wash.Obviously 23>26, but you will get equivalent players there.
Getting rid of Jovos contract > getting rid of Luongo's contact
Bergenheim (huge in playoffs) & Howden (blue-chipper) > Raymond & Alberts

I think if Tallon decides he needs an upgrade in net, he considers this deal. I suspect he's looking at the top 6 instead. That's why I suggested adding Kesler to the deal.

Thing is, the Panthers don't need Luongo. Trading for him will only happen if it doesn't cost Tallon very much to do so.

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Don't like any of those deals.

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Well Florida could do what Vancouver did with Schneider. Bring him up slowly. Luongo is knows he is a starter for 5 more years and his contract indicates that. 1st year give Markstrom 15 games. 2nd year give him 20. 3rd 25, 4th 30, 5th split them close to even and give whoever is better more games. 6th year Luongo gets 30 games if he doesn't retire or is traded to a team that wants a cap hit higher than actual salary to reach the floor
Oh yeah? Then we say, "Thanks for helping us end a 12 year playoff drought Mr. Jose Theodore, but we're bringing in a goalie who put up similar numbers as you and is making 5x what you are making for the next ten years, to replace you. We're going to need you to retire." This Loungo stuff is crazy. People on the main board just don't get that we don't want that 33 year old baby back on our team.


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I said Upshall and MAYBE Howden. The picks don't concern me as much with our prospect depth, but I would not put those picks in there just to get a questionable at best Mason Raymond. I do not want any part of a Luongo deal if the names: Bergie, Versteeg, Bjugstad, Markstrom, Kulikov, Guds etc... are included in the package.

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I said Upshall and MAYBE Howden. The picks don't concern me as much with our prospect depth, but I would not put those picks in there just to get a questionable at best Mason Raymond. I do not want any part of a Luongo deal if the names: Bergie, Versteeg, Bjugstad, Markstrom, Kulikov, Guds etc... are included in the package.
what about the flash? He was ur guys top point producer in the regular season.

Really wanted him that off-season. Instead we got Sturm Flash only cost 1 or 1.5M more and we had that cap space to offer!

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