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06-18-2012, 06:36 PM
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Good to hear that hes being active and knows he has to shake things up. Im cautiously excited for Friday

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Like I said in the thread on the main board, what top-line forward besides Nash could be available to target? Clowe? If we get a top-line forward, I'm hoping it's a 1st line center but I won't bank anything on it.

Sign Jagr anyone? Top-line forward right there.

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06-18-2012, 06:38 PM
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It is why I expect something major to go down, though. He can't settle for Stastny if Staal is available (I value Staal much higher than I do Stastny). Just an example.
Don't be so sure - he may want Staal and recognize him as the superior player but it wouldn't be uncommon for him to roll out the "market level price was too high" cliche.

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Don't be so sure - he may want Staal and recognize him as the superior player but it wouldn't be uncommon for him to roll out the "market level price was too high" cliche.
Very true. Like I said, it's speculative on my part, I just think this is the year that he has to give up that extra asset to land a player that significantly improves the team.

To elaborate on my example, I think Staal in for Roy significantly improves the team. Whereas Stasntny for Roy is pretty much a wash.

He has to deviate from his usual trade market strategy and maybe give up a bit more "future" assets to land a big fish.

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I'm with Jame on this - I'll believe it when I see it. Regier has often spoken of his ambitions in the past when pursuing personnel changes yet the closest he's ever come to a real "shake-up" trade were the Gratton / Gilmour deals at the deadline in 2000 and the Drury deal in the summer of 2003. Most of the rest were either for role players / specialists (i.e. Barnes, Hecht, Lydman, Zubrus); young and upcoming players yet to make a name for themselves (i.e. Warrener, Dumont, Briere, Hodgson); or chronic underachievers (i.e. Connolly, Pyatt, Boyes).

I have no doubt that Regier's desperately trying to get something done but I'm skeptical that whatever he accomplishes will be of the magnitude or caliber needed. I hope he proves me wrong.
i think he still operates in a world where he thinks he should be able to make the holz/primeau/sarich deal for Gratton again... he thinks he should be able to land Jordan Staal for Gerbe, McCormick and Weber.

And he probably still has a healthy fear of making the Peca type of trade again, where he gives up the known for the unknown... and the unknowns never come close to their potential.

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06-18-2012, 06:54 PM
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It will be somewhere around there for the summer, but the CBA expires in September. It remains to be seen whether the cap will stay there once the new CBA takes effect--which means if the cap comes down, then teams that overspend in the summer might be screwed, which is why I don't think teams will go up to that cap this offseason.

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If Regier wants to "add" a top-line forward, does that mean he's opposed to moving out the ones he already has (Vanek and Pominville)?

Or am I reading to much into the word?

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Like I said in the thread on the main board, what top-line forward besides Nash could be available to target? Clowe? If we get a top-line forward, I'm hoping it's a 1st line center but I won't bank anything on it.
For a GM that thought the additions of Moore, Torres and Boyes were significant upgrades, it wouldn't surprise me if Regier views Clowe as first-line materal - but he'd be way off thinking that.

I suspect Regier has inquired about recent rumor mill staples like Marleau, Parise, VanRiemsdyk, Gagner and a few others. He may be seeking a center but the "top line forward" part makes me think that adding some goal scoring offense is even more critical.

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To elaborate on my example, I think Staal in for Roy significantly improves the team. Whereas Stasntny for Roy is pretty much a wash.

He has to deviate from his usual trade market strategy and maybe give up a bit more "future" assets to land a big fish.
Statistically, Stastny-for-Roy may be a wash but if there's merit to the premise that each player has grown stale playing for only 1 team in their career - and if Regier is still sensitive about chemistry issues that may exist on his roster - replacing Roy for a comparable player, even in a lateral move, has to be considered a small positive. The distraction that the Roy-Ruff relationship looks on the verge of becoming can't be a good way to start a new season.

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i think he still operates in a world where he thinks he should be able to make the holz/primeau/sarich deal for Gratton again... he thinks he should be able to land Jordan Staal for Gerbe, McCormick and Weber.

And he probably still has a healthy fear of making the Peca type of trade again, where he gives up the known for the unknown... and the unknowns never come close to their potential.
You nailed it on both counts. And by "duping" other GMs (Mike Smith in the Gilmour&Dumont-for-Grosek deal; Mike Barnett in the Briere-for-Gratton; and Mike Gillis in the Hodgson-for-Kassian swap), he no doubt has a hesitation to make any trade that isn't a landslide win in his favor.

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For a GM that thought the additions of Moore, Torres and Boyes were significant upgrades, it wouldn't surprise me if Regier views Clowe as first-line materal - but he'd be way off thinking that.

I suspect Regier has inquired about recent rumor mill staples like Marleau, Parise, VanRiemsdyk, Gagner and a few others. He may be seeking a center but the "top line forward" part makes me think that adding some goal scoring offense is even more critical.
Marleau is the guy that would leave me significantly disappointed.

1. Marleau is the guy you get because you aren't willing to pay the price for the big fishies
2. Marleau plays the game like a guy who'd rather be at the beach
3. Marleau is past his prime

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Statistically, Stastny-for-Roy may be a wash but if there's merit to the premise that each player has grown stale playing for only 1 team in their career - and if Regier is still sensitive about chemistry issues that may exist on his roster - replacing Roy for a comparable player, even in a lateral move, has to be considered a small positive. The distraction that the Roy-Ruff relationship looks on the verge of becoming can't be a good way to start a new season.



You nailed it on both counts. And by "duping" other GMs (Mike Smith in the Gilmour&Dumont-for-Grosek deal; Mike Barnett in the Briere-for-Gratton; and Mike Gillis in the Hodgson-for-Kassian swap), he no doubt has a hesitation to make any trade that isn't a landslide win in his favor.
i agree... while stastny/roy is a lateral move in terms of skill... it would still be a refreshing change to the core... and would buy us a year to "figure things out" down the middle

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You nailed it on both counts. And by "duping" other GMs (Mike Smith in the Gilmour&Dumont-for-Grosek deal; Mike Barnett in the Briere-for-Gratton; and Mike Gillis in the Hodgson-for-Kassian swap), he no doubt has a hesitation to make any trade that isn't a landslide win in his favor.
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1.Marleau is the guy you get because you aren't willing to pay the price for the big fishies
Flashback 2007: Settling for Zubrus instead of making a pitch for Smyth, Guerin or Roberts.
Flashback 2008: Settling for Bernier instead of making a pitch for Hossa.
Flashback 2010: Settling for Torres instead of making a pitch for Kovalchuk.
Flashback 2011: Settling for Boyes instead of making a pitch for Neal.
Flashback 2012: Settling for Leino instead of making a pitch for Richards.

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3. Marleau is past his prime
Flashback 2006: Signing a 37-year old Numminen.
Flashback 2007: Signing a 32-year old Spacek to make up for loss of McKee.
Flashback 2008: Trading for a 32-year old Rivet to make up for dealing Campbell.

It's happened before....it may happen again.


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i agree... while stastny/roy is a lateral move in terms of skill... it would still be a refreshing change to the core... and would buy us a year to "figure things out" down the middle
Plus, when injected into a new situation like the 2010 Olympics, Stastny performed pretty well. It wouldn't be that big a stretch to think he could revive his game in a new city via a wake-up call that a trade would represent. Same goes for Roy.

Like you said, it's not a terrible option if all else fails and the ideal top center can't be had.

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For a GM that thought the additions of Moore, Torres and Boyes were significant upgrades, it wouldn't surprise me if Regier views Clowe as first-line materal - but he'd be way off thinking that.

I suspect Regier has inquired about recent rumor mill staples like Marleau, Parise, VanRiemsdyk, Gagner and a few others. He may be seeking a center but the "top line forward" part makes me think that adding some goal scoring offense is even more critical.
I feel the same way as you do.

While I think Darcy's master plan is to get the center that can do both AND add scoring on the wing, hell do it. But if he can get Stoll and a scoring winger, ill be pretty happy

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Flashback 2007: Settling for Zubrus instead of making a pitch for Smyth, Guerin or Roberts.
Flashback 2008: Settling for Bernier instead of making a pitch for Hossa.
Flashback 2010: Settling for Torres instead of making a pitch for Kovalchuk.
Flashback 2011: Settling for Boyes instead of making a pitch for Neal.
Flashback 2012: Settling for Leino instead of making a pitch for Richards.



Flashback 2006: Signing a 37-year old Numminen.
Flashback 2007: Signing a 32-year old Spacek to make up for loss of McKee.
Flashback 2008: Trading for a 32-year old Rivet to make up for dealing Campbell.

It's happened before....it may happen again.
You forgot settling for Hodgson when we could have had Gaustad.

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Flashback 2007: Settling for Zubrus instead of making a pitch for Smyth, Guerin or Roberts.
Flashback 2008: Settling for Bernier instead of making a pitch for Hossa.
Flashback 2010: Settling for Torres instead of making a pitch for Kovalchuk.
Flashback 2011: Settling for Boyes instead of making a pitch for Neal.
Flashback 2012: Settling for Leino instead of making a pitch for Richards.



Flashback 2006: Signing a 37-year old Numminen.
Flashback 2007: Signing a 32-year old Spacek to make up for loss of McKee.
Flashback 2008: Trading for a 32-year old Rivet to make up for dealing Campbell.

It's happened before....it may happen again.
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Flashback 2007: Settling for Zubrus instead of making a pitch for Smyth, Guerin or Roberts.
Flashback 2008: Settling for Bernier instead of making a pitch for Hossa.
Flashback 2010: Settling for Torres instead of making a pitch for Kovalchuk.
Flashback 2011: Settling for Boyes instead of making a pitch for Neal.
Flashback 2012: Settling for Leino instead of making a pitch for Richards.



Flashback 2006: Signing a 37-year old Numminen.
Flashback 2007: Signing a 32-year old Spacek to make up for loss of McKee.
Flashback 2008: Trading for a 32-year old Rivet to make up for dealing Campbell.

It's happened before....it may happen again.
Ill just add for the sake of argument that I know 1st hand they went very hard after Bill Guerin in 07. They just lost out after they refused to add Drew Stafford to their package offer of Clarke MacArthur and a 1st

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Flashback 2007: Settling for Zubrus instead of making a pitch for Smyth, Guerin or Roberts.
Flashback 2008: Settling for Bernier instead of making a pitch for Hossa.
Flashback 2010: Settling for Torres instead of making a pitch for Kovalchuk.
Flashback 2011: Settling for Boyes instead of making a pitch for Neal.
Flashback 2012: Settling for Leino instead of making a pitch for Richards.
Lol, come on. You know you're being unfair here just to slight Darcy.

07 - Zubrus was a fantastic addition. Great defensively and the modest amount of points he put up were a bonus. Guerin had a whopping 2 playoff points and I don't even know why you lumped Roberts into this group, you say 'settle' like he wasn't willing to pay the price to get him - Roberts was traded for Noah Welch... I'm sure if he wanted to go out and get him, he could have. Smyth is fair, but again, Zubrus was good. Don't know how you can complain about that.

08 - This is a completely different situation that you're just twisting to trash Darcy. We 'settled' for Bernier because we had to trade Campbell to get something before he left in free agency and knew we weren't making the playoffs. Also, we happened to get Tyler Ennis from that trade, but kudos for conveniently leaving that out. I'll 'settle' for Ennis in exchange for 2 months of Brian Campbell every day of the week.

10 - Sure.... I'll give you this one.

11 - This was a good young player for good young player swap, and obviously Dallas was looking specifically for a puck moving defenseman. The only player we had at the time that was even slightly comparable to Goligoski in terms of offensive talent was Myers.

12 - Only one that we actually know for sure Darcy pulled out of the running and settled for another guy. However, it became clear to basically everyone that Richards was going to the Rangers and he was using other teams for leverage, so he went out and got who we all thought was the next best thing.

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BFF is Jordan Parise, Zach's brother. They played together at North Dakota.

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Without being specific, Regier said he has had discussions regarding players who have been speculated to be on the trade block. Those could include Colorado Avalanche forward Paul Stastny and Pittsburgh Penguins centre Jordan Staal. Both have been linked in reports as players being targeted by the Sabres.

Regier is willing to trade players and/or draft picks in a bid to inject fresh blood and talent into what was a high-priced team that underperformed in missing the playoffs last season.

Regier called it a "sliding scale" when asked if he regarded any Sabres players to be untouchable. He then clarified himself by adding, "there's some obvious guys that we don't have any interest in talking about right now -- you can figure out who they are."
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Despite his desire to make a trade, Regier stressed he is after a player who has the potential to fit in the team's long-term plans.

"I'm not talking about a one-year fix, or a one-year player that's going to be looking at becoming an unrestricted free agent," Regier said. "If you have an opportunity to add someone who's either under contract or is a high-profile player at a ... reasonable cost, then certainly that's something we'll pursue."

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