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06-18-2012, 05:23 PM
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Edm - Car - Cal

I was thinking about this after hearing the Gagner to Caralina rumors. Assume this would be done at the table on draft day if the player Calgary covets is still on the board.

To Edmonton: Carolina 2012 1st (8th Overall)

To Carolina: Sam Ganger

Then

To Edmonton: Jay Bouwmeester, Mikael Backlund

To Calgary: Carolina 2012 1st (8th Overall), Magnus Paajarvi

Not sure if Edm or Cal would need to add.

Thought Process:

Gagner = 8th Overall (Approx)
Backlund > Paajarvi
8th Overall > Bouwmeester

And the difference kind of evens out I think.

Edm adds steady veteran presence with good first pass to D, and a young center that would look good in between the young guns.

Car gets Ganger who I think would do well with a change of scenery.

Cal can get a good piece at 8th Ovr to help re tool (wont use rebuild) while keeping their other first at 14th Ovr. Could also use this deal to move even higher. Also get a big speedy winger that just doesn't have a spot to show what he has on Edm roster.


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06-18-2012, 05:24 PM
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8th overall >> sam gagner

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8th overall >> sam gagner
This. Right here. Canes would never do that.

Perhaps something like McBain+3rd for Gagner.

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No way from the Hurricanes.

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Gagner's value is a high 2nd.... maybe a low 1st from some team.

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Gagner's value is a high 2nd.... maybe a low 1st from some team.
I'd say in this draft a pick in the 20's plus maybe depth d-man

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06-18-2012, 05:49 PM
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Can't see the Oilers brass involved in anything that helps the Flames.

Especially after that whole "Wandering the desert" comment from their GM.

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I wont even get into the value, but Edmonton would be plugging one hole(D), and opening up another(C). Since secondary scory was actually a bigger issue than defense this makes no sense

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Even if we do get the 8th pick, the 2nd trade is brutal.

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06-18-2012, 06:05 PM
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I was thinking about this after hearing the Gagner to Caralina rumors. Assume this would be done at the table on draft day if the player Calgary covets is still on the board.

To Edmonton: Carolina 2012 1st (8th Overall)

To Carolina: Sam Ganger

Then

To Edmonton: Jay Bouwmeester, Mikael Backlund

To Calgary: Carolina 2012 1st (8th Overall), Magnus Paajarvi

Not sure if Edm or Cal would need to add.

Thought Process:

Gagner = 8th Overall (Approx)
Backlund > Paajarvi
8th Overall > Bouwmeester

And the difference kind of evens out I think.

Edm adds steady veteran presence with good first pass to D, and a young center that would look good in between the young guns.

Car gets Ganger who I think would do well with a change of scenery.

Cal can get a good piece at 8th Ovr to help re tool (wont use rebuild) while keeping their other first at 14th Ovr. Could also use this deal to move even higher. Also get a big speedy winger that just doesn't have a spot to show what he has on Edm roster.


Flame away.
Gagner isn't worth the 8th(as nice as it would be).
Paajarvi is definitely more valuable than Backlund. Two years younger and similar stats on a worse team.

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06-18-2012, 06:13 PM
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Then

To Edmonton: Jay Bouwmeester, Mikael Backlund

To Calgary: Carolina 2012 1st (8th Overall), Magnus Paajarvi

As a Flames fan I'd do it in a heart beat. Highly doubt the Oilers would even consider it, though.

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minus Paajarvi and minus Backlund.

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Edmonton takes out Paajarvi and adds a 3rd rounder or Martindale.

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8th overall >> sam gagner
And thats being generous to Gagner.

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06-18-2012, 07:16 PM
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And thats being generous to Gagner.
Hate has blinded you.

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And thats being generous to Gagner.
Yeah, that's getting a little ridiculous.

Comparable points put Gagner - 22 yrs old, I might add - as a solid 2nd line centre with room to grow. The 8th is, fundamentally, a prospect.

Does a Canes/Oilers deal work around Gagner and the 8th? Maybe not. It might not suit each team's respective present needs. But this running down of Gagner's getting pretty weak.

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As an oiler fan, i woulnt trade him for the #8 pick alone. If he was a few years older i could see why you might give up on him, but lets see how he does this year with a new coach, and actual 2nd line minutes.

2 years ago Claude Giroux was 22, and had a 47 point -9 season, with approximately the same ice time, but more power play time. Both of these guys had rediculous junior careers, and both ended up at approximately the same NHL level points wise at 22 years old.

I am obviously not saying that Gagner is going to be the next Giroux, but he has the talent to take a turn at such a young age. Sam Gagner might have been rushed to the NHL, but i doubt the oilers have given up on him yet.

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To Edmonton: Carolina 2012 1st (8th Overall)

To Carolina: Sam Ganger
LOL He's here all week, folks.

I think when you wrote '8th overall' , you forgot to put a 9 in front of the 8.

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As an oiler fan, i couldn't trade him for the #8 pick. If he was a few years older i could see why you might give up on him, but lets see how he does this year with a new coach, and actual 2nd line minutes.

2 years ago Claude Giroux was 22, and had a 47 point -9 season, with approximately the same ice time, but more power play time. Both of these guys had rediculous junior careers, and both ended up at approximately the same NHL level points wise at 22 years old.

I am obviously not saying that Gagner is going to be the next Giroux, but he has the talent to take a turn at such a young age. Sam Gagner might have been rushed to the NHL, but i doubt the oilers have given up on him yet.
Fixed that for ya.

Gagner <<< 8th overall, let alone adding to 8th overall. LOL

And Oiler fans wonder why they (along with Toronto) have the rap on here for biggest homers.

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I don't think it's a hard "no" from Carolina. It REALLY depends who's on the board after 7 picks.

The more forwards are left, the higher Carolina values the pick. If Forsberg or Grigorenko somehow falls to 8th, I don't think Rutherford passes on them to get Gagner. But if they're already taken, along with Teravainen and Faksa, I do think JR would rather have Gagner than another defensive prospect. Particularly since we're already flush with RHD (Dumba, Trouba) and offensive-minded defensemen (Reilly), we'd have to reach for a lower-ranked prospect in order to avoid a logjam.

If that scenario took place, I'd expect JR to be shopping that pick HARD at the table. And realistically, Gagner is a pretty decent return in a situation where there are already a bunch of prospects off the board.

So yeah, in the scenario the OP presents (Oilers want one of those D prospects, Carolina's top 3 or 4 options are gone, and JR's on the clock), I'd consider Gagner a much better move than just reaching for a player we don't really need.

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Fixed that for ya.

Gagner <<< 8th overall, let alone adding to 8th overall. LOL

And Oiler fans wonder why they (along with Toronto) have the rap on here for biggest homers.
Sorry but your wrong, i said Wouldn't, and meant it. Maybe your right and it is also couldn't, but thats not what i was saying.

Why would the oilers even want to trade gagner? Having to watch Horcoff as our 2C this year would be painful. Giving up on Gagner at 22 would be a silly idea, unless you had a clear upgrade coming back. Nice try though.

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Gagner isn't worth the 8th(as nice as it would be).
Paajarvi is definitely more valuable than Backlund. Two years younger and similar stats on a worse team.
Paajarvi has at best the same value. Both of them are past 1st round picks who have yet to show anything in the NHL.

For the point difference between the tow, you could argue the fact that Backlund wasnt sitting in the AHL either while MPS got sent down for half the season

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Nope on 2nd deal from EDM.

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Paajarvi has at best the same value. Both of them are past 1st round picks who have yet to show anything in the NHL.

For the point difference between the tow, you could argue the fact that Backlund wasnt sitting in the AHL either while MPS got sent down for half the season
They still played the same amount of games, and Paajarvi scored only three fewer points, while having a better +/-. He's younger, better defensively and has a higher potential, I don't see how Backlund can possibly be more valuable.

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They still played the same amount of games, and Paajarvi scored only three fewer points, while having a better +/-. He's younger, better defensively and has a higher potential, I don't see how Backlund can possibly be more valuable.
And couldnt keep a job in the NHL.

He is far from better defensively and like you said, Backlund has more points in the same games playing on similar lines.

I would wager a guess as to MPS=Backlund right now, as I dont think many Flame fans would trade Backlund straight up for Magnus and I'm sure Oiler fans feel the same for their guy.

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