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06-18-2012, 04:09 PM
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I would do this only if we had to pick Forsberg.

Although I can't refrain from pointing out that Galchenyuk and Grigorenko wouldn't be on an NHL roster for a few years, so it's not like drafting either of them selves the 1C problem for Toronto.

The Leafs likely have to rely on one of Kadri or Colborne and should one of those guys prove to mesh with Lupul/Kessel then the 1C draft becomes trade fodder anyways...

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06-18-2012, 04:37 PM
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Thank you and goodnight.

Seriously this is pretty bad for Colorado though.

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06-18-2012, 04:38 PM
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Relative value of three key components of this deal:

#5 pick
Stastny
Bouwmeester

Which has the most value and the costs the least? So why does Toronto make the deal again?

Bouwmeester eats minutes but is overpaid and likely a top 4 dman on any team in the league (top pairing on a lot actually) while Stastny is overpaid and is at best a #2C today (his declining point total and $6.6M salary are facts) and if Calgary wants to make a deal surrounding Bouwmeester and Stastny, all the power to it as both are likely important to their respective teams than to the other fan base.

As a fan of neither team, Stastny and a 4th for Bouwmeester and a 2nd is fair value. The Flamers need a centre but do the Avs need a dman?

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06-18-2012, 04:42 PM
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Relative value of three key components of this deal:

#5 pick
Stastny
Bouwmeester

Which has the most value and the costs the least? So why does Toronto make the deal again?

Bouwmeester eats minutes but is overpaid and likely a top 4 dman on any team in the league (top pairing on a lot actually) while Stastny is overpaid and is at best a #2C today (his declining point total and $6.6M salary are facts) and if Calgary wants to make a deal surrounding Bouwmeester and Stastny, all the power to it as both are likely important to their respective teams than to the other fan base.

As a fan of neither team, Stastny and a 4th for Bouwmeester and a 2nd is fair value. The Flamers need a centre but do the Avs need a dman?
What an uneducated post. Bouwmeester would not even come close to Stastny. Good one.

Edit: And I disagree 5th overall has the most value out of these pieces. Typical overrating of picks...


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06-18-2012, 05:04 PM
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A three way trade that benefits one team?

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06-18-2012, 05:47 PM
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True...true...very true....could you perhaps explain to me then why there is a Stastny to Toronto thread then every other week???? If he is as awful as you guys like to portray, then you would not even want him lol. Seems to me your just trying to buy low. Nice try.


Edit: Even the Leafs board is talking about him right now
Saying his value is lower than it was two years ago and saying that he isn't worth the 5th overall isn't the same as saying he's awful. I'd love to have Statsny on the Leafs but I don't think he's available. Avs have plenty of cap space and going with Duchene and O'Reilly as the top two centers next year would be unwise IMO.

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06-18-2012, 06:25 PM
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Saying his value is lower than it was two years ago and saying that he isn't worth the 5th overall isn't the same as saying he's awful. I'd love to have Statsny on the Leafs but I don't think he's available. Avs have plenty of cap space and going with Duchene and O'Reilly as the top two centers next year would be unwise IMO.
At least someone seems to get it..

Colorado would only get the value they need for Stastny if a team was willing to over pay because of the lack of top 6 centers on the market.

Stastny is still pretty much untouchable and that won't change regardless of what people outside of the organization say. They didn't trade him at this deadline or the last.. The response from management when asked was that he IS PART OF OUR CORE.

Stastny does way more than what shows up on his score sheet as well. I also don't think it's unreasonable to take into account that a playmaking center with no one to really finish would see his assist totals drop as well. Stastny's two-way play and goal totals every year have not changed either.

You know some organizations are actually somewhat loyal to their players..

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06-18-2012, 07:18 PM
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This is terrible for the Avs they already have Johnson they don't need Jbo. I would do it as a Flames fan.

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06-18-2012, 07:19 PM
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What an uneducated post. Bouwmeester would not even come close to Stastny. Good one.
Stansny only put up 53 points its not like he is a ppg player. He is about as overpaid as Jbo is.

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06-18-2012, 07:22 PM
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Stansny only put up 53 points its not like he is a ppg player. He is about as overpaid as Jbo is.
Uhg you people that just look at a stat sheet and judge Stastny are clueless..

Guess what? He did put up better then a 70 point pace after we actually aquired some winger depth at the deadline. Then he put up better than a PPG pace in the worlds after that. I think it's safe to say there is a good chance hes rebounding.

This conversation will be more interesting at the trade deadline next season.

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06-18-2012, 07:26 PM
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Uhg you people that just look at a stat sheet and judge Bouwmeester are clueless..
I fixed the start of your post.

Isn't funny how the exact same thing can be said about both players?

Both have underachieved and both are worth more than what fans on HF think.

The value of Stastny and Bouwmeester are likely pretty close.

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06-18-2012, 07:27 PM
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Uhg you people that just look at a stat sheet and judge Stastny are clueless..

Guess what? He did put up better then a 70 point pace after we actually aquired some winger depth at the deadline. Then he put up better than a PPG pace in the worlds after that. I think it's safe to say there is a good chance hes rebounding.
What? Deadline was Feb 27 after that he put up 12 points in 18 games for a pace of 55 points. That isn't a point per game or a rebound. Like I said he is overpaid.

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06-18-2012, 07:48 PM
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Personally, I think for the basis of a trade it works quite well.

Toronto gets a #1 playmaking center, gives up salary in komi(hes gotta go not connoly).

Calgary loses jbow and gets picks and a cheaper defenseman.

Colorado gets a top4 defenseman who isnt signed longer then 2 years, and could rebound.

Personally I think calgary needs to give something more to colorado to make this fair. I would think maybe Moss and a 2nd/3rd round pick?

Colorado isnt getting enough to seal the deal, but otherwise I think its decent proposal.

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06-18-2012, 07:49 PM
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I fixed the start of your post.

Isn't funny how the exact same thing can be said about both players?

Both have underachieved and both are worth more than what fans on HF think.

The value of Stastny and Bouwmeester are likely pretty close.
Thats find if you feel they are close in value...however we have zero interest in a Stastny/Bouwmeester swap, even if you think they are similiar in value. You keep Bouwmeester, we keep Stastny.

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06-18-2012, 07:53 PM
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Awful. Wouldn't trade Stastny for that 5th overall pick. The draft is pretty crap after Yakupov.

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06-18-2012, 07:54 PM
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Personally, I think for the basis of a trade it works quite well.

Toronto gets a #1 playmaking center, gives up salary in komi(hes gotta go not connoly).

Calgary loses jbow and gets picks and a cheaper defenseman.

Colorado gets a top4 defenseman who isnt signed longer then 2 years, and could rebound.

Personally I think calgary needs to give something more to colorado to make this fair. I would think maybe Moss and a 2nd/3rd round pick?

Colorado isnt getting enough to seal the deal, but otherwise I think its decent proposal.
No. This is not a good proposal at all. Just go read the last 2 pages and look at Avs fans reactions. Zero interest in JBO, zero interest in Moss/2nd/3rd. Not even a consideration, sorry.

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06-18-2012, 07:57 PM
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Stastny was tied with O'Reilly in terms of P/G (missed a few less games) and was right up there as one of our top scorers making use of god awful wingers half the season.

He put up 35p in 42 games once 2012 started and 2011 was over. His goals have been consistent since he entered the league (~20 goals) it is his quality of linemates causing his dip in points in which the Winniks, Kobasews and Porters of the world have been getting carried by him when on his line.

But there is only so much a pure playmaker can do, he can't gift wrap 50 assists a season even if he is one of the better passers in the league when playing his game.

Stastny is a top notch 2-way center, one of the better faceoff men, strong on the PK and a great playmaker who scores 20 goals a season because of hard work and a high hockey IQ.

Outside fans may be oblivious to what he provides, but Avs fans are not blind. He is the most tenured Av left on the team after Hejduk and he is our best center still. O'Reilly hasn't hit his offensive abilities and Duchene hasn't hit his defensive abilities.

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06-18-2012, 08:22 PM
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What an uneducated post. Bouwmeester would not even come close to Stastny. Good one.

Edit: And I disagree 5th overall has the most value out of these pieces. Typical overrating of picks...
What an ignorant post. Please read this slowly, meat, so you can comprehend it - read it twice slowly, if that helps.

In a cap world, a $6.6M, 55 point per season 2nd line centre (and that's all he Stastny is if it's a contending team) is nowhere near as valuable as an ELC protected contract whereby if it's a forward, he probably out scores the over inflated 2nd line centre. The sad part is this blow hard doesn't even realize that while having one of the greatest values in the game on his team's roster (Landeskog).

Bouwmeester is likely more more valuable as he's proven he can still handle top pairing responsibilities.


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What an ignorant post. Please read this slowly, meat, so you can comprehend it - read it twice slowly, if that helps.

In a cap world, a $6.6M, 55 point per season 2nd line centre (and that's all he Stastny is if it's a contending team) is nowhere near as valuable as an ELC protected contract whereby if it's a forward, he probably out scores the over inflated 2nd line centre. The sad part is this blow hard doesn't even realize that while having one of the greatest values in the game on his team's roster (Landeskog).

Bouwmeester is likely more more valuable as he's proven he can still handle top pairing responsibilities.
Mr. T, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

No seriously, in a cap world an unproven ELC player > Stastny. Therefore, Kadri > Stastny.

Avs would be lucky for Toronto to offer up Bozak, amirite? It is a cap world afterall, he makes less money and scored only a few less points.

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06-18-2012, 08:58 PM
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What an ignorant post. Please read this slowly, meat, so you can comprehend it - read it twice slowly, if that helps.

In a cap world, a $6.6M, 55 point per season 2nd line centre (and that's all he Stastny is if it's a contending team) is nowhere near as valuable as an ELC protected contract whereby if it's a forward, he probably out scores the over inflated 2nd line centre. The sad part is this blow hard doesn't even realize that while having one of the greatest values in the game on his team's roster (Landeskog).

Bouwmeester is likely more more valuable as he's proven he can still handle top pairing responsibilities.
Wow, time for bed for someone I see. Blow hard? Meat? How old are you?

Anyways, perhaps if you knew a bit more about the Avs, you would realize a couple things. The Avs are not bothered by Stastny's contract. Stop bringing it up. We are not bothered by it, and were not not lowering his value because of it. If you were a little more educated, you would realize how awful some of Stastny's linemates have been. His stats in 2012 were a lot better with decent linemates, but of course you would know nothing about that. 2nd line center? Well this overpaid inflated #2 center is still better than anything on the Leafs(now you will probably reply with something like, ZOMG, Grabo and Bozak are better than overpaid Stastny you fool!!!) Thank god you do not represent the Leafs fanbase, and I am sure most of them would disagree with a lot of the BS you just posted Anyways, if calling people names over the internet and posting uneducated clueless comments makes you feel better, thats fine. Whatever helps you sleep lol.

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What an ignorant post. Please read this slowly, meat, so you can comprehend it - read it twice slowly, if that helps.

In a cap world, a $6.6M, 55 point per season 2nd line centre (and that's all he Stastny is if it's a contending team) is nowhere near as valuable as an ELC protected contract whereby if it's a forward, he probably out scores the over inflated 2nd line centre. The sad part is this blow hard doesn't even realize that while having one of the greatest values in the game on his team's roster (Landeskog).

Bouwmeester is likely more more valuable as he's proven he can still handle top pairing responsibilities.
Do you realize top draft picks actually have close to a 4 million cap hit?

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This is beyond bad for Toronto.
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What an ignorant post. Please read this slowly, meat, so you can comprehend it - read it twice slowly, if that helps.

In a cap world, a $6.6M, 55 point per season 2nd line centre (and that's all he Stastny is if it's a contending team) is nowhere near as valuable as an ELC protected contract whereby if it's a forward, he probably out scores the over inflated 2nd line centre. The sad part is this blow hard doesn't even realize that while having one of the greatest values in the game on his team's roster (Landeskog).

Bouwmeester is likely more more valuable as he's proven he can still handle top pairing responsibilities.
I don't understand the train of thought that a #5 pick absolutely will have an impact in the NHL. People get that casino mindset and see that others have hit it big, and just assume it will happen to them.

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Is it really that hard to ask yourself if a trade helps the teams involved? Cause I'm struggling to come up with how this is at all appealing to Colorado.

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