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06-18-2012, 09:28 PM
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Lol wut?
Jordan Staal and 2 role player prosects at best don't get you the 1st overall and another likely top 10 1st in '13...

It looks good on paper but the value is off. Also upon 2nd review Carolina is giving up way to much for what amounts to Jordan Staal.

This trade is very decieving!

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06-18-2012, 09:32 PM
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Jordan Staal and 2 role player prosects at best don't get you the 1st overall and another likely top 10 1st in '13...

It looks good on paper but the value is off. Also upon 2nd review Carolina is giving up way to much for what amounts to Jordan Staal.

This trade is very decieving!
So a selke candidate who can put up 60+ points a year and 2 promising young prospects don't get you first overall? Jeez.

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06-18-2012, 09:34 PM
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Jordan Staal and 2 role player prosects at best don't get you the 1st overall and another likely top 10 1st in '13...

It looks good on paper but the value is off. Also upon 2nd review Carolina is giving up way to much for what amounts to Jordan Staal.

This trade is very decieving!
First this year > first next year

The 2013 1st is Carolina's not Edmonton's, so unlikely to be another top10.

Hence Pens are giving Staal + two role players for 1st OA this year.

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06-18-2012, 09:40 PM
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EDM gets:

8th Overall Pick (car)
Ryan Murphy
Robert Bortuzzo
Jamie McBain

CAR gets:

Jordan Staal
Brian Strait
22th Overall pick (pit)

Pit gets:

#1 overall pick (edm)
Carolina's 2013 first rounder
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Value wise I think Edmonton easily wins this one. But at the same time it also sets them up for another lottery finish. The cupboards can only hold so many propects. They already have Klefbom, Marincin, Musil, Gernat, Davidson, Tuebert, and Plante in the system

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06-18-2012, 10:10 PM
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So a selke candidate who can put up 60+ points a year and 2 promising young prospects don't get you first overall? Jeez.

I'm sure you meant to say a selke candidate and a player who has never scored more than 50pts along with two mediocre prospects....

Ya no that doesn't get you the 1st overall let alone another high 1st rounder next year.
Staal should easily net you a mid to high 1st rounder but no way does he get you 2 1sts especially when one is #1 overall.

So getting back to the point although the trade looks appealing to the eyes in reality Carolina gives up far too much and although Staal is the best player in the deal he is still not getting you the #1 pick. Pitsburgh isnt paying fair market value in this deal. Simple as that..

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06-18-2012, 10:23 PM
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I feel bad for the Canes..

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06-18-2012, 10:24 PM
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I don't think Edmonton wins this trade at all.

They need a #1 Dman, not a projected 3/4.



Yakupov will be a 40-50 goal scorer for many years. Trading him for scrubs won't cut it.



BTW, it's ridiculous to think 1 year of Staal is worth 8 years+ of Yakupov.

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06-18-2012, 10:29 PM
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this trade could mean murphy, mcbain, reinhart for edmonton... when you combine that with the D prospects they already have, i think it would pretty much rocket them up to the #1 best D prospect pool in the NHL

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06-18-2012, 10:31 PM
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Awful for the pens

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Awful for the pens
Really? I think out of all the teams, Pittsburgh comes out the best.

Very well thought-out proposal by the OP, but I'd give a big no from the Hurricanes.

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06-18-2012, 10:35 PM
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I'm sure you meant to say a selke candidate and a player who has never scored more than 50pts along with two mediocre prospects....

Ya no that doesn't get you the 1st overall let alone another high 1st rounder next year.
Staal should easily net you a mid to high 1st rounder but no way does he get you 2 1sts especially when one is #1 overall.

So getting back to the point although the trade looks appealing to the eyes in reality Carolina gives up far too much and although Staal is the best player in the deal he is still not getting you the #1 pick. Pitsburgh isnt paying fair market value in this deal. Simple as that..
Keep playing those EA sports games buddy.

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06-18-2012, 10:36 PM
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Wait the Pens are getting the #1 overall pick and what will likely be another high first round pick for giving up what basically amounts to Jordan Staal who is at best a 2nd line center and two prospects? Seems like they get a lot for a little.

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Very good proposal. Not sure I'd want Edmonton to make this move.

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06-18-2012, 10:37 PM
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This is a prime example of a quantity vs quality trade. The quantity side has to add.

That being said, it's also a case of moving future assets for present ones - the future side has to add there.

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06-18-2012, 10:40 PM
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Pens win this hands down. Carolina loses and Edmonton gets a bunch of good d prospects, which they already have a lot of.

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06-18-2012, 11:18 PM
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I'm sure you meant to say a selke candidate and a player who has never scored more than 50pts along with two mediocre prospects....

Ya no that doesn't get you the 1st overall let alone another high 1st rounder next year.
Staal should easily net you a mid to high 1st rounder but no way does he get you 2 1sts especially when one is #1 overall.

So getting back to the point although the trade looks appealing to the eyes in reality Carolina gives up far too much and although Staal is the best player in the deal he is still not getting you the #1 pick. Pitsburgh isnt paying fair market value in this deal. Simple as that..
You mean the selke candidate who this year was on pace for 30+ goals and MEDIOCRE?! dude we all know what Jordan Staal is worth and what you say isn't going to change it lol.

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06-18-2012, 11:33 PM
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To everyone saying that the pens lose, lets wake up here and stop thinking like morons? Sorry to be rather rude, but YOU'D BE DRAFTING NAIL YAKUPOV, no big deal or anything he's just some guy who will go #1 in the draft I heard there's plenty of those types of players deeper into the draft. Can you imagine how many goals the pens would score?

Kunitz-Crosby-Yakupov
Neal-Malkin-Kennedy

People need to realize that defense isn't that big of a problem for the pens, Fleury just had a real bad series for some reason, pittsburgh wins this trade HANDS DOWN

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06-18-2012, 11:39 PM
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To everyone saying that the pens lose, lets wake up here and stop thinking like morons? Sorry to be rather rude, but YOU'D BE DRAFTING NAIL YAKUPOV, no big deal or anything he's just some guy who will go #1 in the draft I heard there's plenty of those types of players deeper into the draft. Can you imagine how many goals the pens would score?

Kunitz-Crosby-Yakupov
Neal-Malkin-Kennedy

People need to realize that defense isn't that big of a problem for the pens, Fleury just had a real bad series for some reason, pittsburgh wins this trade HANDS DOWN
Only on HFboards are draft picks and unproven players worth more than proven (and playoff proven) commodities.

And its comical you included Kennedy in that top 6.

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06-18-2012, 11:42 PM
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Only on HFboards are draft picks and unproven players worth more than proven (and playoff proven) commodities.

And its comical you included Kennedy in that top 6.
It is probably because some posters on HFboards are intelligent enough to realize that draft picks and unproven players can and do have more value than proven players in a wide variety of circumstances.

According to your flawed logic, Florida should trade the Oilers Huberdeau for Gagner since he's "proven".

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06-18-2012, 11:52 PM
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You mean the selke candidate who this year was on pace for 30+ goals and MEDIOCRE?! dude we all know what Jordan Staal is worth and what you say isn't going to change it lol.
I know its hard for you to read so let me help you out..

Two mediocre PROSPECTS! Quit trying to act like Staal is worth the #1 overall. You're delusional! Because you throw in two players that will make minimal impact doesn't all the sudden vault his worth. Lol Staal may be worth a high pick but not #1. Take off your homer glasses.

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06-19-2012, 12:02 AM
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So a selke candidate who can put up 60+ points a year and 2 promising young prospects don't get you first overall? Jeez.
This year staal got 50. Which was his career high

And now he can put up 60?

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06-19-2012, 12:41 AM
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Trading Jordan Staal to the team the Pens have to hope is as awful as possible just doesn't make sense.

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So the canes give upon this years and next years first for a late first, and give up Mcbain and Murphy for staal and strait.

Feels like the canes got bent over sumthin. Why are they adding a pick? Murphy, Mcbain and the first ain't enough for staal? We don't need strait.

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06-19-2012, 01:58 AM
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Trading Jordan Staal to the team the Pens have to hope is as awful as possible just doesn't make sense.
So many thing don't make sense

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06-19-2012, 02:17 AM
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Pit would make out like bandits. Its essentially Staal for a 1st overall (in a draft with some serious talent) and another mid 1st round pick.

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