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06-19-2012, 08:13 AM
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With the cap space and the amount of very good prospects we have the Sens will go for it next season and try and win a cup. Alfredsson is going to retire a champion. We have enough assets where we can go for it and still have the organizational depth for the next 10 seasons. If we wait for all of our youngsters to develop we could be 3-5 seasons away from competing for the cup.

Nash has the hands Michalek doesn't. Nash is the ultimate power forward. In close he makes people look stupid and MM is an outside guy.

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06-19-2012, 08:18 AM
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With the cap space and the amount of very good prospects we have the Sens will go for it next season and try and win a cup. Alfredsson is going to retire a champion. We have enough assets where we can go for it and still have the organizational depth for the next 10 seasons. If we wait for all of our youngsters to develop we could be 3-5 seasons away from competing for the cup.

Nash has the hands Michalek doesn't. Nash is the ultimate power forward. In close he makes people look stupid and MM is an outside guy.
Mostly Doug MacLean for giving him that contract...zing!

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06-19-2012, 08:28 AM
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'No' to Nash, 'Yes' to E. Kane.

I'd offer the Jets: Zibanejad, Foligno, and a 2nd.

I know that may not be enough, but that's all I'm prepared to give at this point.

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06-19-2012, 08:40 AM
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'No' to Nash, 'Yes' to E. Kane.

I'd offer the Jets: Zibanejad, Foligno, and a 2nd.

I know that may not be enough, but that's all I'm prepared to give at this point.
Kane isn't mature enough to depend on. At this stage we need Veteran help to make a push for the cup. If we want to develop our young guys and hope to make a run in 3-5 years then Kane would be a better fit. I think we have enough skill coming up that they will eventually fill in the gaps in the next few seasons provided we have those vets to lean on.

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Let's stop using stats, they don't tell the whole story, and you can pretty much twist them to suit your argument.
This argument comes from people who don't know how to use stats

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06-19-2012, 08:54 AM
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This argument comes from people who don't know how to use stats
Or from people who are using the WRONG stats.

That being said, you can't ONLY use stats.

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06-19-2012, 08:58 AM
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Or from people who are using the WRONG stats.

That being said, you can't ONLY use stats.
What percentage of the time do you think you should use stats? 30%? 60%?

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06-19-2012, 09:05 AM
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What percentage of the time do you think you should use stats? 30%? 60%?
Well, 40% of the time, you need to use a 50-50 split between stats and actual first-hand analysis. 35% of the time though, and this is crucial from November-February, you really need a 75%-25% split and lean heavily towards stats. In the playoffs though, statistical analysis should take a ~47% drop, give or take 1.5%.

In the offseason, one should use stats 64% of the time, unless you are evaluating Russians (or Belarussians), in which case stats should only be used 56% of the time. This is the "Russian Factor" that everyone refers to.

During the entry draft, you should use stats 100% of the time, unless the player "projects well", in which case you should only use it 30%.


This is probably sarcasm. I have no idea.

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06-19-2012, 09:12 AM
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are we still talking hockey or about sex panther?





Kane isnt going anywhere. He just wants enough money to cover the bills he skipped out on.

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It's fun to pretend we're trading for Rick Nash, Kane or signing Parise but this is not a video game.

I still think our main problem is finding a D that can play with Karlsson and with Jackman signing in St-Louis, that Hjamarlsson rumor makes a lot more sense...

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06-19-2012, 09:24 AM
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It's fun to pretend we're trading for Rick Nash, Kane or signing Parise but this is not a video game.

I still think our main problem is finding a D that can play with Karlsson and with Jackman signing in St-Louis, that Hjamarlsson rumor makes a lot more sense...
this may not be a video game, but who said we are only allowed 1 transaction a year?

Smith, 15th for Hjamarlsson and 18th.

18th, Lehner, Foligno for Nash.



See how easy that was.

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06-19-2012, 09:32 AM
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It's fun to pretend we're trading for Rick Nash, Kane or signing Parise but this is not a video game.

I still think our main problem is finding a D that can play with Karlsson and with Jackman signing in St-Louis, that Hjamarlsson rumor makes a lot more sense...
The only thing I don't get about that rumour is why would Chicago want to trade Hjalmarsson?

I haven't really been following but it doesn't seem like their D is super deep right now either

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06-19-2012, 09:34 AM
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The only thing I don't get about that rumour is why would Chicago want to trade Hjalmarsson?

I haven't really been following but it doesn't seem like their D is super deep right now either
the fans keep saying they need capspace and hjalmarsson is taking 3.5 million. not sure why they need it?

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06-19-2012, 09:40 AM
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the fans keep saying they need capspace and hjalmarsson is taking 3.5 million. not sure why they need it?
Going after Parise/Suter/Yip?

More likely: they're looking for a bottom-6 player with Smith's upside, and can't find any on the UFA list.

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06-19-2012, 10:14 AM
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Going after Parise/Suter/Yip?

More likely: they're looking for a bottom-6 player with Smith's upside, and can't find any on the UFA list.
Or they are trying to get Foligno.

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06-19-2012, 11:59 AM
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This argument comes from people who don't know how to use stats
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
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If Nash were on the radar, I would expect Michalek would be in the discussion over Foligno. Maybe they'd take both, and we'd be able to add a prospect piece not named Silfverberg, Stone, Zibanejad or Borowiecki

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the fans keep saying they need capspace and hjalmarsson is taking 3.5 million. not sure why they need it?
Only need the cap space if they go after Suter

If they have no intention of going after Suter (Or at very least Allen) then moving Hjalmarsson isn't at all viable

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By 2nd i assume u mean 2nd overall? otherwise dats bad.
Yup I meant the 2nd overall, fair deal no?

They get two good players in Michalek and Foligno and a prospect (peumpel?) a goalie, Lehner and.... wait for it.....GILROY!!!

Sens get Nash and the second overall pick in 2012.

A steal for Columbus

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Man why can't we be that team that targets a big name player for once...Every year its bottom 6 forward top 4 D. Guys like Nash don't grow on trees, we need a big PF up front our LW position is weak because after michalek all we have is greening...

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Kane isn't mature enough to depend on. At this stage we need Veteran help to make a push for the cup. If we want to develop our young guys and hope to make a run in 3-5 years then Kane would be a better fit. I think we have enough skill coming up that they will eventually fill in the gaps in the next few seasons provided we have those vets to lean on.
We are not making a push for the cup next season Stylizer, it's a nice dream but that's what it is a dream. We are in the middle of a rebuilt so we're at least 3 to 4 years away from competing for the cup.

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We are not making a push for the cup next season Stylizer, it's a nice dream but that's what it is a dream. We are in the middle of a rebuilt so we're at least 3 to 4 years away from competing for the cup.
I think we had the elements to reach the final this year. We are not this far away. East will be wide open again next year.

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Man why can't we be that team that targets a big name player for once...Every year its bottom 6 forward top 4 D. Guys like Nash don't grow on trees, we need a big PF up front our LW position is weak because after michalek all we have is greening...
Bondra, Heatley, Gonchar, Hasek, Kovalev to an extent?

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Shero has stated that he expects to trade one or two defensemen during the off-season... I sure could use another Michalek brother on the team

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Shero has stated that he expects to trade one or two defensemen during the off-season... I sure could use another Michalek brother on the team
Would love to have him, he was the guy I wanted when we ended up getting Gonchar.

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