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06-19-2012, 10:54 AM
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Brandon Dubinsky
2nd round pick



Michael Ryder
Im on the fence but would surely do it with a First instead of 2nd

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06-19-2012, 10:55 AM
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What worries me most is creating a hole that is going to put us into the lottery yet again. I hope the Oil have a plan for when/if they move Gagner.
I could see Jokinen signing in Edmonton in a second line role. Looks like Calgary is not going to re-sign him, and he liked it there. In order to keep his family close Edmonton would be a good fit.
He has been very good the last couple of years, and as a number 2 he would thrive.

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I could see Jokinen signing in Edmonton in a second line role. Looks like Calgary is not going to re-sign him, and he liked it there. In order to keep his family close Edmonton would be a good fit.
He has been very good the last couple of years, and as a number 2 he would thrive.
Still the softest top 6 in the league!

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I am a fan of Gagner and I got this strange feeling that Gagner will go on and have a career pts wise like Jason Arnot. For those no old enough to remember, the media ran him out of town for not being Messier
Arnott is 6'5'' 220lbs and had 38 goals in his rookie year. I think Gagner is a skilled kid who could produce with the right team (and Dallas is actually one of those teams that I think could bring out the best in him) but there is little in his game that is similar to Arnott.


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Brandon Dubinsky
2nd round pick



Michael Ryder
no way from a Ranger point of view. I think big

Eriksson

for

Dubinsky
Anisimov
Thomas

Guess that;s not enough to most


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no way from a Ranger point of view. I think big

Eriksson

for

Dubinsky
Anisimov
Thomas

that should be plenty
That's not even close. If you want Eriksson, you start with Kreider. Yes, Loui is that good. Take it from someone whose team has to deal with him on a regular basis.

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no way from a Ranger point of view. I think big

Eriksson

for

Dubinsky
Anisimov
Thomas

that should be plenty
Lol yea not really. You don't know how highly the stars value Eriksson.

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i agree thats not very scary in terms of hitting and intimidation. Still, hall and yakupov have some edge to their game. But hemsky, eberle and RNH is weak. Might be to soon to tell for grigorenko but hes still 6"3 almost 6"4 ( draft combine stats), hard to predict how strong a player will be in the future..

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Eriksson (and Benn) isn't getting traded, and especially not for a package of lesser parts.

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no way from a Ranger point of view. I think big

Eriksson

for

Dubinsky
Anisimov
Thomas

that should be plenty
No it probably won't be. Eriksson is their best player. If you want him bad enough you would probably have to swap out Thomas for Miller and add a first to even get them to listen. That, of course, is still too much from a Rangers perspective.

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no way from a Ranger point of view. I think big

Eriksson

for

Dubinsky
Anisimov
Thomas

that should be plenty
Try Callahan + Kreider

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I've always liked Brandon Dubinsky despite the dud of his last season. I think he'd be a great fit on the second line with Toronto alongside Mikhail Grabovski and Nikolai Kulemin.

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Try Callahan + Kreider
Try Callahan, Gaborik, Lundqvist, Kreider AND your next 3 1sts!

Ok I made my point, Eriksson goes no where, but I'd definitely move Ryder for Dubinsky and a pick.

Too bad Anisimov is Russian, and Dallas now hates Russians.

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I've always liked Brandon Dubinsky despite the dud of his last season. I think he'd be a great fit on the second line with Toronto alongside Mikhail Grabovski and Nikolai Kulemin.
What would Toronto offer? Probably would take a roster forward and a pick or prospect depending on the quality of the player.

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Gagner reminds me of a young Marc Savard or Ray Whitney. Rushed into the league to early, and has to relearn the NHL game. He made major improvements last year. Was close to 50% in FO and will get better with age(like most centres do).
Last year the Oilers started with this
Hall-RNH-Eberle
Smyth-Horcoff-Hemsky
Paajarvi-Belanger-Gagner.

Even with the 8 point night(which is funny that HF posters feel is a negative), I'm surprised with his season.

I wont even discuss value, but even if he was traded for a 6-10 pick it would just set the Oilers up for another lotto finish. He's better than most of the players taken in the 6-10 range from 05-09, and the Oilers dont have another option at 2C.

Unless Sutter who's not allowed to talk to the Oilers until July 1st, has spoken to O.Jokinen about signing with the Oilers as the 2C option(no tampering since Sutter doesnt work for the Oilers Yea, I spiked my coffee this morning

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Still the softest top 6 in the league!
Jokinen can mix it up. When healthy Hall can play physical as well. Hemsky well yes he is butter. If Teemu makes 2nd LW that would not be soft. If Smyth is brought back he is not soft. I ahve heard people compare Nail's style to that of Ovechkin, so he would not be soft.
The wild withou clutterbuck definately have a softer top 6.

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no way from a Ranger point of view. I think big

Eriksson

for

Dubinsky
Anisimov
Thomas

that should be plenty
Don't see Dallas saying yes to that.

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Try Callahan, Gaborik, Lundqvist, Kreider AND your next 3 1sts!

Ok I made my point, Eriksson goes no where, but I'd definitely move Ryder for Dubinsky and a pick.

Too bad Anisimov is Russian, and Dallas now hates Russians.
Anisimov is not your typical Russian. He is a solid 2 way center who works hard. The one knock on him is that he doesnt use his size to his advantage. If he did that and maybe added a little bit of speed, he'd be a fantastic second line center.

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How's Gagner defensively?

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Honestly I'm not really seeing a deal here. While I, along with 29 other teams in the league, would love to get Benn or Eriksson I obviously know that won't happen.

Outside of those two there really isn't much that entices me. I'm not really interested in Ott or Ryder.

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I could see Dallas offering up #13.

To expand on this I have actually been thinking about this for awhile. Something around Gagner for #13. Dallas wants a top six center for the future to play behind Benn. Gagner is arguably not as important to the Oiler's future as one of the d-men the Oilers could pick up at #13. The top six centers available at #13 may have more intangibles than Gagner but they look to have a similar ceiling of a second line talent.


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Anisimov is not your typical Russian. He is a solid 2 way center who works hard. The one knock on him is that he doesnt use his size to his advantage. If he did that and maybe added a little bit of speed, he'd be a fantastic second line center.
They still are incredibly averse to the Russian factor... I personally would love Anisimov or Loktionov... preferably both because 2 Russians = happy Russians.

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Arnott is 6'5'' 220lbs and had 38 goals in his rookie year. I think Gagner is a skilled kid who could produce with the right team (and Dallas is actually one of those teams that I think could bring out the best in him) but there is little in his game that is simialr to Arnott.
arnott had 33 goals in his rookie year and went down hill from there. 15-28-19. I said pts wise for a reason--I know Arnott is big guy and picked my words for a reason. In Arnott his pts 68-37-59-57. Gagner 49-41-41-42-47. I think the hatred some oiler fans have towards Gagner is silly. He could be a good second line center.

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I am a fan of Gagner and I got this strange feeling that Gagner will go on and have a career pts wise like Jason Arnot. For those no old enough to remember, the media ran him out of town for not being Messier
Yeah, he would really take off if he is traded to the Stars IMO, having wingers that are some combination of physical, puck battlers, shoot the puck, and good defensively is really the perfect compliment, the likes of Benn, Ott, Eriksson, Ryder, Morrow etc would be a perfect fit. The kind of wingers he can't have in Edmonton, regardless of how good Ebs and Hall are...

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I could see Dallas offering up #13.

To expand on this I have actually been thinking about this for awhile. Something around Gagner for #13. Dallas wants a top six center for the future to play behind Benn. Gagner is arguably not as important to the Oiler's future as one of the d-men the Oilers could pick up at #13. The top six centers available at #13 may have more intangibles than Gagner but they look to have a similar ceiling of a second line talent.
Wrong. As sad as it might be, the Oilers are weak down the middle and need Gagner. They don't have any C prospects with offensive upside. We're loaded with D prospects(Klefbom, Marincin, Musil, Gernat, Tuebert, Davidson, and Plante) Hockeys Future just rated our D prospects an A-, and forward prospects a C

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