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06-17-2012, 09:43 PM
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Dont want ANY part of Bourque.

How about

Plekanec + 33rd

For

6th + Cogliano

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06-17-2012, 10:31 PM
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Dont want ANY part of Bourque.

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Plekanec + 33rd

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6th + Cogliano
No thank you. Cogliano is of absolutely no interest to Montreal. He brings nothing of need to our team. Believe me, I have had far too many discussions with Edmonton fans in the past about Cogliano. He is a non-starter for any trade.

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Are you saying I should research the realities of the 6th overall pick? Because I just said I would do a trade bhased around Plekanec and the 6th.
No, you misunderstood. I was referring to the guy you were quoting. Sorry about the confusion. Although I did put in a specific statement where I stated I did not mean YOU.

Plekanec and Bourque for 6th, Lydman, and your 2nd rounder this year would be my offer. I still think Plekanec is worth a touch more than just the 6th and I think Bourque was coasting when he hit Montreal to avoid injury in a finished season. Bourque scored 27 goals twice and last year was a really down one. A lot of players had down years last season (Bourque, Getzlaff,P. Kane, etc...). One bad season does not erase everything a player has done leading up to it.

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he's not worth the 6th pick,plain and simple,hes a 2nd line center whos almost 30.regardless of whether some clueless Duck fans would make the trade,bottom line is,the gm of the Ducks wouldnt.The Habs would have to add for the gm to even think about it.theres NO way he makes that 1 for 1 swap.

its really not too hard to figure out.some of you guys should try paying attention
Talk about paying attention! Here, check out the following since you obviously missed it the first time:

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I think Plekanec in either Anaheim or Chicago would be a tremendous boost for those teams. For the bozo fans who have no clue (there really is not a lot more than one), Plekanec had a rotating cast of less than ideal wingers the entire season, still played top tough minutes as a defensive specialist at even strength and on the PK, and still produced 50+ points!

So, yes, I think that Plekanec is definitely worth a top 10 pick and possibly even a bit more depending upon where in the top 10 the pick sits. For every Connoly or Ekman-Larson you can get at the #6, you could get stuck with a Gagner, Filatov, Brassard, Brule, Montoya, Upshall, etc... In other words, the percentage is higher that you will get a worse player than Plekanec with that pick.
I wish people would research the realities of the 6th overall pick when compared to the player in the proposal before opening their mouths.
What are you incapable of understanding? Plekanec is an elite 2nd line center and a capable 1st line center with the right wingers. Pair him with some big bodies like a Bobby Ryan and you will see Ryan get 40 goals. At the same time, Plekanec will increase the Ducks' PK significantly.

Seriously, go troll some other team, you obviously have no clue who Plekanec is or what he does beyond what you can look at on TSN.ca under the "points" category. Believe me, the Ducks and Blackhawks both have fans that would give up significant assets for Plekanec. Go root for your team and avoid posting in threads with knowledgeable fans of multiple other teams when you have no clue what the teams in the thread needs or what the players in the OP are capable of.

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06-17-2012, 11:09 PM
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No, you misunderstood. I was referring to the guy you were quoting. Sorry about the confusion. Although I did put in a specific statement where I stated I did not mean YOU.

Plekanec and Bourque for 6th, Lydman, and your 2nd rounder this year would be my offer. I still think Plekanec is worth a touch more than just the 6th and I think Bourque was coasting when he hit Montreal to avoid injury in a finished season. Bourque scored 27 goals twice and last year was a really down one. A lot of players had down years last season (Bourque, Getzlaff,P. Kane, etc...). One bad season does not erase everything a player has done leading up to it.
While that's true, it doesn't change the fact that a team that has Perry, Ryan, Smith-Pelly, Palmieri, and probably Selanne has no need for Bourque.

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No, you misunderstood. I was referring to the guy you were quoting. Sorry about the confusion. Although I did put in a specific statement where I stated I did not mean YOU.

Plekanec and Bourque for 6th, Lydman, and your 2nd rounder this year would be my offer. I still think Plekanec is worth a touch more than just the 6th and I think Bourque was coasting when he hit Montreal to avoid injury in a finished season. Bourque scored 27 goals twice and last year was a really down one. A lot of players had down years last season (Bourque, Getzlaff,P. Kane, etc...). One bad season does not erase everything a player has done leading up to it.
Ya I noticed that I can't read after I posted but I cant edit so I was just hoping you wouldnt see my post

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I understand ducks fans having mixed feels. Don't blame them whatsoever. I guess it depends on direction of course. I'd assume with Plekanec, Getzlaf, Perry, Ryan, etc... all hovering around their prime age, it makes sense from my perspective. I mean, if you look at it that way, seems like a no brainer...especially since they have big name UFAs next year and being competitive+having a backup in pleks makes sense.

That being said, maybe they'll take the patient approach or go younger but less proven. Who knows. It's not up to me to decide but I find the fit near perfect. I mean, sure if plekanec was 27 and not 29, it would be even better, but realistically speaking, it's pretty fair.

As for the hybrid proposals. I really don't want Cogliano and we don't really need another D.

To sweeten the deal, the best I could really offer is:

Plekanec+33rd overall

6th overall+36th overall

A little bump in selection, maybe even do it another time in later round but doing Plek+ doesn't make sense to me.

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he's not worth the 6th pick,plain and simple,hes a 2nd line center whos almost 30.regardless of whether some clueless Duck fans would make the trade,bottom line is,the gm of the Ducks wouldnt.The Habs would have to add for the gm to even think about it.theres NO way he makes that 1 for 1 swap.

its really not too hard to figure out.some of you guys should try paying attention
Wow. First off, Plekanec is a 1B center, not a #2.

By comparison, Mike Richards got Schenn(5th overall in deeper draft)+Simmonds

Carter got 8th overall(couturier)+ voracek(overall top 10 pick)

While plekanec is older and not quite as good as Mike Richards(even though Plek outscored him this year) the fact remains is that he may 2 years older and not worth the same, but he's worth at least 50% of what they got. AKA a top 10 pick.

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While that's true, it doesn't change the fact that a team that has Perry, Ryan, Smith-Pelly, Palmieri, and probably Selanne has no need for Bourque.
absolutely agree there. There is NO need for Bourque in Anaheim. He'll likely toil away on Montreal's 3rd line this year.

Anaheim is looking very solid on the wings going forward. They lack that really great 2nd line centre to make Getzlaf a more effective 1st liner by taking away some of the tougher assignments and giving him better pairings by spreading out the opposition checkers.

Is that 2nd line centre Plekanec? Not likely to see him traded, but I have to say he would definately help Anaheim.

Is Plekanec worth 6th overall straight up? Maybe, but that all depends on where their management feels they can be this coming season with better production from their top guys. But I guarantee that it would take an offer like that to get him out of Montreal as he is a rare homegrown asset that does everything well.

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As a Habs fan i think a little tweaking is needed
Ducks get Pleks + Bourque
NYI get 6th OA + Habs 2 + Ducks 36 OA
Habs get 4th OA and Cogliano
That deal is a lot closer to what I think would need to go down, However I would want to see who columbus picks. If Murray will be there at #4 i dont want to make the deal. That being said #6 will still most likely still leave us the oportunity to pick Rienhart.

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I understand ducks fans having 's

To sweeten the deal, the best I could really offer is:

Plekanec+33rd overall

6th overall+36th overall
I would probably do it...we have nice prospect pool ana maybe this is right time to add Plekanec and try to win someting with three very good lines...would be better to have 25-27 years old player, but I believe that 29-years old Plekanec still has four-five good season in front of him...if Plekanes is really available BM should at least consider it...

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Exit Dose;51029941[/B]]While that's true, it doesn't change the fact that a team that has Perry, Ryan, Smith-Pelly, Palmieri, and probably Selanne has no need for Bourque.
Please keep in mind I was not the one who placed Bourque into a trade, I was simply tampering with other trade offers beng made to explain Montreal's perspective. I could be wrong, and apologize if I am, but I believe it was either a Ducks fan who asked for Bourque, or, at the very least, was willing to include Bourque in a deal. I am simpy trying to clarify that Bourque is not a bag of pucks player due to one bad season.

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No worries, mate. No harm, no foul. It is good to be seeing eye-to-eye with you on something...

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LyricalLyricist I understand ducks fans having mixed feels. Don't blame them whatsoever. I guess it depends on direction of course. I'd assume with Plekanec, Getzlaf, Perry, Ryan, etc... all hovering around their prime age, it makes sense from my perspective. I mean, if you look at it that way, seems like a no brainer...especially since they have big name UFAs next year and being competitive+having a backup in pleks makes sense.

That being said, maybe they'll take the patient approach or go younger but less proven. Who knows. It's not up to me to decide but I find the fit near perfect. I mean, sure if plekanec was 27 and not 29, it would be even better, but realistically speaking, it's pretty fair.

As for the hybrid proposals. I really don't want Cogliano and we don't really need another D.

To sweeten the deal, the best I could really offer is:

Plekanec+33rd overall

6th overall+36th overall

A little bump in selection, maybe even do it another time in later round but doing Plek+ doesn't make sense to me.
As a Habs fan, I would be ok with this. I am not singing it as the greatest of deals, but I am comfortable with it if that is what the deal has to be. I still think I would rather some of the Chicago offers, though...


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As a Habs fan i think a little tweaking is needed
Ducks get Pleks + Bourque
NYI get 6th OA + Habs 2 + Ducks 36 OA
Habs get 4th OA and Cogliano

That deal is a lot closer to what I think would need to go down, However I would want to see who columbus picks. If Murray will be there at #4 i dont want to make the deal. That being said #6 will still most likely still leave us the oportunity to pick Rienhart.
I know topdog is a Habs fan and he proosed the deal, but Cogliano is an absolute non-starter. He is not worth anything at all in a trade with Montreal. We have too many Cogliano types. He has to be removed and replaced with another asset. Seriously, he is of no value to Montreal as he would simply be blocking the development of a player like LeBlanc/Geoffrion/Kristo/prospect. Cogliano is too small for what we need and not skilled enough to overcome his lack of size. We do not need another player eating cap money for no good reason.


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I don't see Plekanec and 33rd OA fetching the 4th OA.

Plekanec was valued at the deadline to be worth about a 2nd round pick.

So two 2nds does not make at 4th OA.

If Montreal was acquiring the 4th OA from Anaheim (after it traded the 6thOA to NYI), it would cost Plekanec++, where the ++ would likely be big.

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I don't see Plekanec and 33rd OA fetching the 4th OA.

Plekanec was valued at the deadline to be worth about a 2nd round pick.

So two 2nds does not make at 4th OA.

If Montreal was acquiring the 4th OA from Anaheim (after it traded the 6thOA to NYI), it would cost Plekanec++, where the ++ would likely be big.
Since when? Gaustad fetched a 1st from Nashville and Plekanecs would only get a 2nd?

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Please keep in mind I was not the one who placed Bourque into a trade, I was simply tampering with other trade offers beng made to explain Montreal's perspective. I could be wrong, and apologize if I am, but I believe it was either a Ducks fan who asked for Bourque, or, at the very least, was willing to include Bourque in a deal. I am simpy trying to clarify that Bourque is not a bag of pucks player due to one bad season.



No worries, mate. No harm, no foul. It is good to be seeing eye-to-eye with you on something...



As a Habs fan, I would be ok with this. I am not singing it as the greatest of deals, but I am comfortable with it if that is what the deal has to be. I still think I would rather some of the Chicago offers, though...




I know topdog is a Habs fan and he proosed the deal, but Cogliano is an absolute non-starter. He is not worth anything at all in a trade with Montreal. We have too many Cogliano types. He has to be removed and replaced with another asset. Seriously, he is of no value to Montreal as he would simply be blocking the development of a player like LeBlanc/Geoffrion/Kristo/prospect. Cogliano is too small for what we need and not skilled enough to overcome his lack of size. We do not need another player eating cap money for no good reason.
True.I just added Cogliano as a cap dump from the Ducks because they were taking Bourque.What if we dropped both Borque and Cogliano and try something like,

Ducks get Pleks +Preds 2nd
NYI get 6th OA + Habs 2 + Ducks 36 OA
Habs get 4th OA and Ducks 2013 2nd .

Seems like some of the Islanders fans are alright with what they are getting so we just need the Duck and Hab fans to agree.
I think this is just about as good as it gets for all three teams

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OP must be a Habs fan.

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I don't see Plekanec and 33rd OA fetching the 4th OA.

Plekanec was valued at the deadline to be worth about a 2nd round pick.

So two 2nds does not make at 4th OA.

If Montreal was acquiring the 4th OA from Anaheim (after it traded the 6thOA to NYI), it would cost Plekanec++, where the ++ would likely be big.
Actually try looking a little closer.It's the Pleks +33rd +36th for the 4th OA.
The Ducks are not acquiring the 4th OA from the Islanders. It's a three way deal which has now been tweeked a bit.

Ducks get Pleks +Preds 2nd
NYI get 6th OA + Habs 2 + Ducks 36 OA
Habs get 4th OA and Ducks 2013 2nd .

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You must be a Hab hater.

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Actually try looking a little closer.It's the Pleks +33rd +36th for the 4th OA.
The Ducks are not acquiring the 4th OA from the Islanders. It's a three way deal which has now been tweeked a bit.

Ducks get Pleks +Preds 2nd
NYI get 6th OA + Habs 2 + Ducks 36 OA
Habs get 4th OA and Ducks 2013 2nd .
The Ducks don't have their 2nd in 2013, but if they did, how exactly does this equate for the Ducks? 6th overall and 36 overall for Pleks? Preds 2nd for 2013 Ducks 2nd? Any way you break it down, it seems like terrible value for the Ducks. They overpay for Pleks, while also downgrading 2nd round picks. No thanks, from a ducks POV.

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The Ducks don't have their 2nd in 2013, but if they did, how exactly does this equate for the Ducks? 6th overall and 36 overall for Pleks? Preds 2nd for 2013 Ducks 2nd? Any way you break it down, it seems like terrible value for the Ducks. They overpay for Pleks, while also downgrading 2nd round picks. No thanks, from a ducks POV.

Than

Ducks get Pleks +Habs 2nd
NYI get 6th OA + Preds 2 + Ducks 36 OA
Habs get 4th OA and Ducks 2012 3rd or 2013 3rd pick.Ducks choice. .

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It's not as crazy as some would have you believe, allows saku and Pleks to man the pk while getzlaf can focus on offense, Pleks will get you a guaranteed fifty points along with 20 goals minimum. Along with that Ryan gets a great center to play with.

As a Habs fan the 6th overall is very tempting, and without my bias I lean towards the habs adding slightly, but I think it's something along these lines

Plekanec
33rd OA or Habs third rounder and Nashvilles second

6th overall
67th overall (ducks third rounder, the fiasco with patrick white and sj bumps everything up a pick after 55)

So Anaheim still gets two early second rounders, Montreal still has the nashville pick at 51, however I think this whole scenario relies on two scenarios. One is both sides feel this deal is best for now and in the future. By making this deal Montreal basically says FU to next season and tanks away, probably finishing bottom five again. As well Anaheim has to assume that they will challenge again for the cup in the next four years.

The second is that both sides disagree with whose available, maybe the ducks love teravainen, take him and say **** it. Maybe the habs see it that way at six and the ducks hate him. It really comes down to this one tbh, I don't pretend to know the ducks needs, but from what I understand they've been all over the place with their drafting. If they don't like a defenseman on the board I think the Habs have Rielly, Reinhart and Dumba high on their list. They trade plekanec draft one of them (let's say Rielly for this exercise). Really deepens the long term D-core for montreal

Subban-Tinordi-Beaulieu-Rielly would be a solid top 4 to work with for years However I really don't see the need to trade down further with the islanders, this move as well may be able to help the ducks attract a solid free agent to help bolster the lineup

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It's not as crazy as some would have you believe, allows saku and Pleks to man the pk while getzlaf can focus on offense, Pleks will get you a guaranteed fifty points along with 20 goals minimum. Along with that Ryan gets a great center to play with.

As a Habs fan the 6th overall is very tempting, and without my bias I lean towards the habs adding slightly, but I think it's something along these lines

Plekanec
33rd OA or Habs third rounder and Nashvilles second

6th overall
67th overall (ducks third rounder, the fiasco with patrick white and sj bumps everything up a pick after 55)

So Anaheim still gets two early second rounders, Montreal still has the nashville pick at 51, however I think this whole scenario relies on two scenarios. One is both sides feel this deal is best for now and in the future. By making this deal Montreal basically says FU to next season and tanks away, probably finishing bottom five again. As well Anaheim has to assume that they will challenge again for the cup in the next four years.

The second is that both sides disagree with whose available, maybe the ducks love teravainen, take him and say **** it. Maybe the habs see it that way at six and the ducks hate him. It really comes down to this one tbh, I don't pretend to know the ducks needs, but from what I understand they've been all over the place with their drafting. If they don't like a defenseman on the board I think the Habs have Rielly, Reinhart and Dumba high on their list. They trade plekanec draft one of them (let's say Rielly for this exercise). Really deepens the long term D-core for montreal

Subban-Tinordi-Beaulieu-Rielly would be a solid top 4 to work with for years However I really don't see the need to trade down further with the islanders, this move as well may be able to help the ducks attract a solid free agent to help bolster the lineup
If I'm BM and I'm not in love with anyone at 6 I would make either one of those deals. The Ducks need to show Getzlaf and Perry that they are willing to spend and aren't afraid to make deals in order to make the team contenders sooner rather than later. Assuming Teemu comes back, their window of having a solid playoff run could still be open with a few key additions like a Plekanec.


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It's not as crazy as some would have you believe, allows saku and Pleks to man the pk while getzlaf can focus on offense, Pleks will get you a guaranteed fifty points along with 20 goals minimum. Along with that Ryan gets a great center to play with.

As a Habs fan the 6th overall is very tempting, and without my bias I lean towards the habs adding slightly, but I think it's something along these lines

Plekanec
33rd OA or Habs third rounder and Nashvilles second

6th overall
67th overall (ducks third rounder, the fiasco with patrick white and sj bumps everything up a pick after 55)

So Anaheim still gets two early second rounders, Montreal still has the nashville pick at 51, however I think this whole scenario relies on two scenarios. One is both sides feel this deal is best for now and in the future. By making this deal Montreal basically says FU to next season and tanks away, probably finishing bottom five again. As well Anaheim has to assume that they will challenge again for the cup in the next four years.

The second is that both sides disagree with whose available, maybe the ducks love teravainen, take him and say **** it. Maybe the habs see it that way at six and the ducks hate him. It really comes down to this one tbh, I don't pretend to know the ducks needs, but from what I understand they've been all over the place with their drafting. If they don't like a defenseman on the board I think the Habs have Rielly, Reinhart and Dumba high on their list. They trade plekanec draft one of them (let's say Rielly for this exercise). Really deepens the long term D-core for montreal

Subban-Tinordi-Beaulieu-Rielly would be a solid top 4 to work with for years However I really don't see the need to trade down further with the islanders, this move as well may be able to help the ducks attract a solid free agent to help bolster the lineup
I'd probably do:

Plekanec
51st overall

6th overall
67th overall

I don't see a reason to give up more really. At best i'd do this:

Plekanec
51st overall
33rd overall

6th overall
67th overall
36th overall

So we'd bump up anaheim twice and still get 6th overall but I think this is much, and the previous offer above is adequate to me.

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As a Ducks fan I wouldn't make that trade. Our biggest issue for the last two season has been defense. If Montreal would throw in a great defensemen prospect the trade could happen. We need Dumba as much as Montreal.

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no they wouldnt.as i said in my previous post,the Habs would have to add
Well then you obviously don't watch Plekanec.

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