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06-19-2012, 11:07 AM
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Brandon Dubinsky



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It is no secret that New York is in need of scoring while Toronto lacks grit in their top 6. Dubinsky is not much of a scorer but he provides the toughness we lack. He had a down year but he has proven that he can play in the top 6. MacArthur is a solid top 6 forward but may be expendable if Toronto is to get some grit and sandpaper in return.

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06-19-2012, 11:09 AM
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Dubinsky has proven to be a scorer every year but last year. I'd rather keep him or trade him for a legit 1st line winger in a package, then in a swap for McArthur.

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Brandon Dubinsky



Clarke MacArthur



Reason:

It is no secret that New York is in need of scoring while Toronto lacks grit in their top 6. Dubinsky is not much of a scorer but he provides the toughness we lack. He had a down year but he has proven that he can play in the top 6. MacArthur is a solid top 6 forward but may be expendable if Toronto is to get some grit and sandpaper in return.
Not bad, but I prefer Dubinsky over MacArthur.

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06-19-2012, 11:12 AM
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No thank you. Looking to get a young player back if we deal him Seperately as opposed to in a massive package of players.

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Pretty fair value but most Ranger fans are looking for a true top 6 forward that can produce at least 25 goals consistantly. Not sure if Clarke MacArthur really fits that role too well.

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06-19-2012, 11:14 AM
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Where would we put Dubinsky in our line up? I would be weary of putting him on the first line, although it would maybe work out. I doubt he ousts Grabo on the 2nd line meaning he would be our 3rd line center? At that point I don't know if I want to be paying our 3rd line center 4.2m.

I just looked and apparently he plays LW as well, I guess that provides more options.

I would do this trade since simply I would rather have Dubinsky than MacArthur as a player (this is also why ranger fans will say no to this trade). I just think there would have to be other trades to go with it to move people around.

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06-19-2012, 11:17 AM
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No thank you. Looking to get a young player back if we deal him Seperately as opposed to in a massive package of players.
MacArthur is almost exactly a year older than Dubinsky, Macarthur turned 27 this past April. I know you still won't want to do the trade, but MacArthur is hardly any older.

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MacArthur is almost exactly a year older than Dubinsky, Macarthur turned 27 this past April. I know you still won't want to do the trade, but MacArthur is hardly any older.
yea I rather keep Dubinsky. He's a homegrown Ranger so unless they can package him in a deal for a top LW just keep him.

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A one dimensional player in Clarke for a two way center. Doubt it. NYR could get a better deal.

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How about adding Franson for a 2nd?

So Dubinsky + 2nd for MacArthur + Franson?

Rangers get a replacement plus a solid PP specialist, while the Leafs get a stop gap #1 C that they can drop to the 3rd line after one is acquired?

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MacArthur is not one dimensional. Yeah, he can put up 60 or so points, bring speed and playmaking. I think this is what NYR need to be honest.

I understand the stance of dealing him in a package for a higher end forward but that would involve including a package of your prospects which I would warn against.

If Nash doesn't materialize, NY should consider this.

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06-19-2012, 11:30 AM
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Where would we put Dubinsky in our line up? I would be weary of putting him on the first line, although it would maybe work out. I doubt he ousts Grabo on the 2nd line meaning he would be our 3rd line center? At that point I don't know if I want to be paying our 3rd line center 4.2m.

I just looked and apparently he plays LW as well, I guess that provides more options.

I would do this trade since simply I would rather have Dubinsky than MacArthur as a player (this is also why ranger fans will say no to this trade). I just think there would have to be other trades to go with it to move people around.
I think Dubinsky would fit great at the 2nd line LW spot.

MacArthur + 2nd Round Pick would be the most I would offer. Maybe replace the 2nd with Holzer, not sure if NYR needs him though.

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How about adding Franson for a 2nd?

So Dubinsky + 2nd for MacArthur + Franson?

Rangers get a replacement plus a solid PP specialist, while the Leafs get a stop gap #1 C that they can drop to the 3rd line after one is acquired?
No use for Franson. Stralman already fits the same mould as a PP specialist, soft minute munching defender.

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I think Dubinsky would fit great at the 2nd line LW spot.

MacArthur + 2nd Round Pick would be the most I would offer. Maybe replace the 2nd with Holzer, not sure if NYR needs him though.
A 2nd rounder added on top of MacArthur is an overpayment from Toronto's side.

MacArthur alone should be enough if the Rangers are looking for some more speed and secondary scoring.

If not, whatever, because Dubinsky is not a must have for Toronto.

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That 4.2 cap hit is a bit steep.

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MacArthur is not one-dimensional at all. Leaf fans ragged on him this season for not re-doing his 62 point season when in reality he would've been on pace for a similar total if one of his linemates (looking at you Kulemin) could've buried some of his very good plays.

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Just out of curiosity, what would it take to get Lupul? I know he isn't available, just wondering

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Just out of curiosity, what would it take to get Lupul? I know he isn't available, just wondering
His value, for me, is hard to judge, him and Kessel had great chemistry. He means a lot to the team because he makes our best player better and we would want him valued at his current PPG that he got last season, and then possibly some more, while I'm guessing someone like you won't be looking at valuing him that high. To put it simply, any serious discussion on trading Lupul would get very ugly on HF in my opinion. Just isn't worth the headache that will follow haha.

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I thought it had been established that a Dubi/Kulemin swap would be pretty even/fair value. Is that not the case anymore?

Edit: Looks like Kulemin had a pretty rough year, but Dubi did as well. TOR fans, what was with Kulemin this year? 7 goals?

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I thought it had been established that a Dubi/Kulemin swap would be pretty even/fair value. Is that not the case anymore?

Edit: Looks like Kulemin had a pretty rough year, but Dubi did as well. TOR fans, what was with Kulemin this year? 7 goals?
He lost a lot of good friends in a plane crash at the start of the season (Lokomotiv.) So he really was not in a good mindset all year long. Kind of hard to focus on hockey when you just went through something like that.

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Just out of curiosity, what would it take to get Lupul? I know he isn't available, just wondering
it would take something substantial. i cant see burke moving him for anything under an extreme overpayment

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He lost a lot of good friends in a plane crash at the start of the season (Lokomotiv.) So he really was not in a good mindset all year long. Kind of hard to focus on hockey when you just went through something like that.
So did Gaborik. Including his best friend. He still potted 41.


The reality is he had a career high, unsustainable shooting percentage 2 years ago. I already said this a year ago, before last season started on the Leafs board and even took up one of your fans on a bet regarding it.

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Kulemin tends to polarize Leaf fans but we generally agree that while he's not a consistent 30 goal player, he's a very good two-way player than should be good for at least 20 goals, 20 assists every year.

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Kulemin tends to polarize Leaf fans but we generally agree that while he's not a consistent 30 goal player, he's a very good two-way player than should be good for at least 20 goals, 20 assists every year.
Rangers fans feel that Dubinsky is good for that, is more physical, and is just as good, if not better defensively.

One bad year from Dubinsky doesn't signify him as a cap dump, to me, and neither should it be for Kulemin, but we're just not interested in a lateral move.

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Just out of curiosity, what would it take to get Lupul? I know he isn't available, just wondering
He played a PF role on the top line while finishing most of the chances Kessel created for him. He also was one of our best two-way players last season.

I dont think he'll be dealt but if he is we'd want Ryan MacDonagh.

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